Why do you like/hate Dior?

[stilettogirl84]

officially quitting this thread-

 

[j´adore dior]

How can you say Dior is nothing like Heatherette? I don't understand your logic. To say that, you're no longer just a Dior fanatic, but you're in denial! Galliano himself may be completely different in terms of background or even the history of the house, but that's not to say that what he produces doesn't come out looking like something Heatherette...

you don´t need to understand my logic, is as simple as me not finding heatherette at all like what Galliano creates on the runways for Dior, i simply don´t see it, it´s not that difficult to understand, and in a way i understand you, of course you don´t get my thoughts, we see things in a different way.

 

[j´adore dior]

yea...but it's DIOR, it's HAUTE COUTURE *buys*

As Galliano would say, anyway......he seems to have the impression that by buying a Dior lipstick or lotion that you're taking Haute Couture for your skin home. Hey, who says babies can't drink milk out of Haute Couture?

thats the concept all couture houses that create mass produced merchandising use, thats the way they take advantage of the prestige the brand name has builted over the years, and the reason every detail on the product´s packaking is carefully detailed, that is also one of the reasons haute couture catwalks exist today and aren´t showed esclusively to the actual two hundred and fifty costumers left in the world.

products are more expensive because the people that´s willing to pay for them needs the prices of the products to be higher, they need to feel they are buying something many others won´t be able, and will aspire too, and one of the ways to make something look or feel more luxurious its by its price range, it´s all merchandising, they are catering to an existing segment of the population in the world.

and do not generalize too, Dior offers many unlogoed garments as well, for the segment of the population they are catering who do not need logos on their clothes.

 

[EdanChrysler]

Just something I'd like to point out - Dior seldom uses its logo on clothes. Most of the logo use occurs on their accessories - purses, handbags, etc. Lately Galliano has been setting the Dior logo aside, instead choosing to, for once, create real works of fashion. Example - the Dior gaucho tote bag which sells in a dirty white, grungy red, and a bleak brown. It's selling very well and numerous celebrities have been spotted with one.

Logos sell to the majority of people from a non-glamorous background (that is, normal mundane people) because they are a statement to the world. They scream, "Look, here I am with a Dior bag - I'm fashionable, I'm rich, and I love to show off". Many wannabe socialites buy them because they fulfil their dreams of extravagance. They fear that people will not notice that they are rich or that they have the ability to own expensive branded goods and hence go for the ones that have the logos all over them. They generate business for the brand.

It is exactly for this that we can't blame Galliano for creating the logo-ed stuff. It is forgivable for Dior to have a few logo-ed products since Dior is, after all, a business trying to survive in the world of commercialism.

As for the war between the Heatherette lovers and the Dior lovers, I hope to take a central stand. I love Dior so I guess I'm supposed to lean towards the Dior side, but it's hard to define the word "tacky". Everyone views what is tacky in a different perspective, no?

So let's put down our harsh and bitter verbal weapons and admire both brands for the little gems that they occasionally produce - F/W 2005 for Dior, anyone?

 

[ShesElectric]

The MAIN thing you should respect a brand for is their ability to create artwork.. for the designers ability to give us some sort of message through his or her work. Dior (homme and femme) is the perfect example of that.

Whether Dior creates "artwork" is debatable. It depends on who you're talking to. What I call art, my grandfather probably doesn't. Do you get it? You can't TELL everyone what is considered ART because the beauty of it is - it differs from person to person.

Everyone views what is tacky in a different perspective, no?

Absolutely. k a r m a

 

[Arturo21]

thats the concept all couture houses that create mass produced merchandising use, thats the way they take advantage of the prestige the brand name has builted over the years, and the reason every detail on the product´s packaking is carefully detailed, that is also one of the reasons haute couture catwalks exist today and aren´t showed esclusively to the actual two hundred and fifty costumers left in the world.

products are more expensive because the people that´s willing to pay for them needs the prices of the products to be higher, they need to feel they are buying something many others won´t be able, and will aspire too, and one of the ways to make something look or feel more luxurious its by its price range, it´s all merchandising, they are catering to an existing segment of the population in the world.

and do not generalize too, Dior offers many unlogoed garments as well, for the segment of the population they are catering who do not need logos on their clothes.

No, I'm not talking about a couture house, I'm sure Giorgio Armani (who I dislike) and Karl Lagerfeld (mixed feelings) don't go around talking about Chanel and Armani eyeshadow being Haute Couture. John Galliano, specifically, said it in an interview.

Again, the people generally supporting Dior generally have a very, very narrow view of fashion. Fashion = Fendi, Dior, Chanel, and Prada (poor Miuccia )
When you generalize, saying that the only reason for fashion houses to have high prices is because it makes people feel that they are buying luxury goods - that is not true for all. Saying that every fashion house has plastered logos at least somewhere, not true. Look at Ann Demeulemeester. High quality. High prices. Not pretentious. No logos.

But she/they need to make money, too. Makes you wonder...

EdanChyrsler - using the fact that celebrities carry Dior handbags really weaken your case, considering most are nouveau riche. Also because, just because you see a celebrity carrying a certain designer, you think that label is better. No. I actually look down on it even more for that.

 

[pinnie]

i do love Dior bags.They are great.

 

[amphrosyne]

EdanChyrsler - using the fact that celebrities carry Dior handbags really weaken your case, considering most are nouveau riche. Also because, just because you see a celebrity carrying a certain designer, you think that label is better. No. I actually look down on it even more for that.

elitist dont worry I feel the same way..

 

[ShesElectric]

I'm sure Giorgio Armani (who I dislike) and Karl Lagerfeld (mixed feelings) don't go around talking about Chanel and Armani eyeshadow being Haute Couture.

hahahahaha

EdanChyrsler - using the fact that celebrities carry Dior handbags really weaken your case, considering most are nouveau riche. Also because, just because you see a celebrity carrying a certain designer, you think that label is better. No. I actually look down on it even more for that.

Exactly. I've said previously, celebrities can have a huge impact on a campany's image. What celeb is seen carrying a "blank" handbag definately makes a difference. Unfortunately, my opinion would change (in terms of me wanting to go out and buy it) if say, I saw PARIS HILTON or KIM STEWART in it.... ick. It's a bitter sweet truth for a company like Dior. Esspecially with a designer as celebrity-obsessed as Galliano.

Edit: OH ANDDD... I also agree that so far, their opinions seem to be very narrow. In that they can't seem to take in any form of criticism without this backlash and a review of the few decent Dior pieces.

 

[Arturo21]

^Agreed

elitist dont worry I feel the same way..

No. I was saying that because he talks about the people with the 'non-glamorous' background who buy the diffusion pieces, because they want everyone to notice that they are carrying Dior. Then, he goes and praises Dior because celebs wear it.

It's contradictory, I'm not being elitist.

 

[amphrosyne]

^ it was a joke hence the emoticons. I get your point but it could be easily twisted into sounding as elitist as you wrote a disparaging (albeit true) comment at the nouveaux riche and the fact tha you discriminate against a product because the nouveaux riche use them as status symbols. Just feeling boozed up cuz of the world cup so not thinking too straigth. Dont kill me

 

[Arturo21]

^No, I never said I wasn't elitist

JK

Enjoy the games (and the booze)

 

[amphrosyne]

^ certainly will do thanks mate

 

[EdanChrysler]

Hmm it seems a little clarification is due. For starters I never praised celebrities for wearing Dior and secondly, I'm talking about different handbags here.

(Photo from Sabine's Boutique)
This is the logo-ed bag I'm talking about that screams "Look, I'm wearing Dior!" - even the uninitiated can tell that it's a Dior bag (the word "Dior" runs all around it).

(Photo from http://www.si666.com/ - alternate url in picture)
...and this is the gaucho tote bag I'm talking about. It's unique lack of excessive labelling and an absolutely beautiful appearance makes it a hit with people who actually bother about how nice it looks.

The difference I'm pointing out here is with the psychology of people who purchase logo-ed items - it's less of an aesthetic thing but more a reassurance of self-esteem and self-worth.

Any further questions are of course welcome =]

(P.S. I hope I have not been misinterpreting the meaning of the "logo" that has been discussed. If the discussion so far has always been about what BRAND an item is and not whether it features a lot of logos on it, then everyone, please discount all my posts )

 

[Arturo21]

J Example - the Dior gaucho tote bag which sells in a dirty white, grungy red, and a bleak brown. It's selling very well and numerous celebrities have been spotted with one.

well, that sounded like it was a good thing because numerous celebs wear it.

 

[EdanChrysler]

Quote:
Originally Posted by EdanChrysler
J Example - the Dior gaucho tote bag which sells in a dirty white, grungy red, and a bleak brown. It's selling very well and numerous celebrities have been spotted with one.



well, that sounded like it was a good thing because numerous celebs wear it.

The case of the unintended meaning. I mentioned celebrities owning them to emphasise the fact that they've been selling well regardless of the fact that they're not printed all over with the word "Dior". I wasn't intending to say that it was a good thing, or that I love the celebrities who buy them.

Apologies for any confusion caused!

 

[Ghost]

ok from now on,,in order to have a fun fighting, post a picture along with your reason.. like mine.....

I love Dior because...................

*missing credits*

I hate Dior because.......

 

[minmin]

I love dior because of

*missing credits*

 

[EdanChrysler]

Ahaha yes. I've been attempting to argue so much that I'm forgetting what this topic is all about.

(By the way, Ghost and minmin, I believe the photos need to be credited or they'll be taken of - I think it's part of TFS' policies or something I'm not too sure)

Lessee. How about I begin with the bad news first?

I hate Dior because of:

(from store.yahoo.co.jp) Logo-mani.

(from purseblog.com) I hope that leopard print dress ISN'T a Dior thing. Or is it? It's disgusting.

(from purseblog.com) What's this? An orgy of handbag compartments with Dior logo-ed skin?

(from style.com) Eew. It's so gross. Yuck. Yuck. Weird colour combination, ridiculously kitsch patterns. Absolutely abominable. And the sunglasses look like some Batman rip-off. In fact, Spring 2005 RTW for Dior was one of the worst, most plain, tacky and unmemorable collections ever done. Disappointing.

(from style.com) Yes fine so it's not strictly about Dior, but Galliano IS their designer, no? I can't stand this picture. John, take off the hat, stand properly, and shave off your moustache - THEN I'll swoon. Otherwise, bugger.

And here comes the good news. I love Dior because:

(Photo from http://www.timelinefashion.de/) Hey, it's not all about Galliano. Christian Dior revolutionised fashion with its revamping of past styles and creating the New Look - the woman and her clothes were never the same again.

(from Style.com) I may sound like a muddled fanatic, but I think this piece shows the depth of Galliano's skill. He can turn yards of fabric into a piece of apparel that looks like someone piled a Chinese fabric factory on top of the model - and yet, there's the model, walking down the runway without a care in the world. He is a construction genius capable of making the unwearable wearable. For the skeptics - if his clothes are unwearable, why the hell are these models wearing them? (Note - this is solely a rhetorical question and I am intending the meaning of "unwearable" to be literal. Of course I don't expect my English teacher to walk into class sporting this bulky number one day)

(Style.com) Of course. I wouldn't let this thread pass until this picture gets posted here umpteen times. Dior Spring 2004 HC - the Great Egyptian Adventure. The Pinnacle of Luxury and Galliano's Flamboyant Talent.

(Style.com) This bodice skirt is a total masterpiece! I was at the Dior boutique yesterday and I was SCRUTINISING this wonderful piece - it was made of nylon and soie-silk, had tulle netting around the neck edge and the skirt edge and featured Galliano's signature bias cut. It was very very attractive to touch - the fabric was just so SOFT and flowing it was like touching liquid! I assure you I am not exaggerating!

(Style.com) If someone can turn gothic-punk culture into haute couture, it's John Galliano. The entire SS 2006 HC, although a little less stunning than Fall 2005 or Spring 2003's couture collections, certainly gave goth a very rare and unique flair. The dark theme was very fitting for the clothes and I just LOVE how he worked the broken corsets and the grungey leather apparel.

(Style.com) And if he can turn gothic-punk into haute couture, why not prêt-a-porter as well? I think the best outfits in the Dior F/W 2006 RTW collection were the leather gowns that came out towards the end of the show. It was a very fresh way of working with leather and I feel that Galliano carried it out very very well. The way the leather moves (watch the video at the Dior site, or the Style.com video) just shows how ingeniously it's been cut and sewn. It's definitely a masterpiece.

And of course, the man himself. It doesn't matter that he gets very tacky sometimes, or that he totally spoils his own image by dressing up weirdly or overly psychedically - it's his creativity and artistic talent that make his collections worth anyone's time. If one's looking for true aesthetics in fashion, his works are a good place to begin.

To conclude, I love Dior more =] Let's just hope that Galliano doesn't disappoint us in the upcoming couture collection.

 

[Ceptuouse]

This threads annoying me, I seem to be one of few that actually like Dior...Dior isnt that bad though seeing as there only seems to be about 10 different reasons to why people actually dont like Dior, but repeated many times in different ways in this thread...like; a) Dont like the logo stuff (me neither) b) The clothes on the runway arent wearable (i know) c) Its too expensive (like most designer things) d) The clothes Galliano design are stupid or whatever... e) Celebrities carry them f) Not liking what Galliano wears at the end g) Its not as good as Dior in the 1950s....stuff like that...

Sorry, im in such a mood tonight as you can tell Well its off my chest