Christian Dior HC F/W 12.13 Paris

There is a little in me feeling he isn't as good as Alaïa or McQueen in term of technical execution! But the video does reveal a whole different stories in term of the mood especially in the end!
 
The video just makes me want good detail shots of the backs even more. That backless red tunic/dress is stunning.
 
The clothes actually look better against other colored backgrounds. That blue was just awful and unflattering :yuk:.
 
Everyone's saying that this collection is good because of the craftsmanship and silhouettes, so I think we can thank the Dior atelier for being skilled dressmakers and we can thank Mr. Dior for the silhouettes. What can we thank Raf for? Aside from the atelier's work, I find this collection lacking all around. I'm not getting the big deal about the details either. What details? To me, it's boring and lacks substance.

I don't need people to tell me the definition of couture or show me the Dior archives. I'm pretty confident in my knowledge of fashion history and I think everyone in this thread can tell for themselves what they like and don't like.

Completely agree.

Let's hope later collections are more powerful.

And as lackluster as this collection is, I still find that there was more design and insight, as little as i thought there was, and that replacing Gaytten was the best thing that could've happened since the scandal.
 
(Part of this post was extracted from the "Haute couture: what does it really mean?" thread.)
After Galliano's high profile fall and the negative reaction to Gaytten's collections, the Dior atelier was likely shaken, suffering from low morale and uncertainty - it badly needed a steadying hand under a new design leadership.

There is a large, populated atelier behind Dior haute couture, staffed by some of the rarest and most experienced hands, who would face dire straits with the fall of the House of Dior.

It is worth understanding how couture pieces are designed and made - constructed or tailored at the atelier de taileur, draped by the atelier de flou, legions of specialists in embroideries, in buttons, beads, haberdashery, etc., custom-fitted by the construction of a toile, how they must be fitted many times, supported by invisible structures made of pieces of stiffened muslin, all hand-sewn and molded to perfection by fitting experts, etc. This process happens even with a simple jacket. Actually, the simpler the jacket, such as these very fitted modern Bar jackets, the more challenging it is to construct the toile for differently shaped and sized clients, with varying waist-hip proportions, to attain the same effect as that worn by the model. It isn't only obvious work such as embroidery that is skill and labour-intensive. The perfect silhouette is a feat. Only an atelier driven to the precipice of "haute" could deliver, so Raf Simons is really doing something for the rehabilitation of the Dior atelier here, which moves me deeply.

This is why since I have known Raf Simons' ethics, work attitude, I know he didn't choose this direction for the simple reason of rehashing the archives. He is bringing the vision further, to modernity, in abstracting the silhouette and leavening the original heavy construction, at the same time, he is deferring deeply to the revered atelier, which was in moral disarray after the tempestuous Galliano departure and the hugely panned collections by Gaytten. This collection is an applause for exquisite atelier work, a bow to the very old and established House, while the designer's own avant-garde and experimental sensibility is visible but takes a back seat.

Raf Simons' approach to venerate the House of Dior for his first HC collection seems extremely considerate and respectful of the atelier and the House, and it is no doubt his intention, even though he might earn scorn from those who expect something dramatic from this collection.

Like Thakoon said, with the highly constructed haute couture, the entire garment supports itself, as if it has its own life. Look at RS's Dior jackets - it will stand on its own even without a wearer. His approach for this first collection lets the House of Dior stand, even without the designer.
 
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The second last photo is just too cute lol.
 
the pattern of the fabric and the detail of the dresses are lovely I have to say, we can see the mix of jil sander in this collection, I mean this is his first presentation for the brand so it's overall acceptable. Definitely, I would love to see extravaganza big big dramatic gown in his next HC collection ! that's the main thing of Christian Dior HC, right ! don't you think ?
 
Perhaps Galliano has been at the helm for too long, it's too easy for people to equate Galliano= Dior.
I think this is a tribute to Mr. Christian Dior's works. Quite nice for a debut.
But it's more than atelier pieces, e.g. the dye piece. Maybe Raf will make the looks more modern next time.
 
I find some of those pieces very like office wear and those patterns aren't so nice. I'm sorry maybe I'm an ignorant but is my first impression.
 
the patterns look like tie dye. it may be haute couture, but resembling a home project isn't doing it any favors.
 
^ Raf x Sterling Ruby - and not for the first time.
I'm very fond of those pieces.
 
the patterns look like tie dye. it may be haute couture, but resembling a home project isn't doing it any favors.

i agree....the fabric looks like it comes from high school DIY art class.

Minimalism is not an excuse for crappy collections.
"haute couture doesn't mean drama" is also not an excuse for crappy collection.

Yes, the silhouette is Dior's signature wasp waist silhouette.
BUT c'mon the whole paris fashion week uses this silhouette.
Its shaped like Dior's flower women but it lacks the soul, the energy, the vibrancy and the architecture of Dior.
I can tie a tight belt around a boxy jacket and say "this is Dior's hourglass silhouette and job's done"B)
 
I give the collection a thumbs up, it is elegant and impeccable. I can see these looks in editorials, on the red carpet and selling in stores. The item that I found most intriguing in the collection were the little clutches / minaudières, and I can see the ballgown being truncated into a top and worn over a skinny pant being directional. However I do find the collection safe and a bit of a let down but I know that the fault for it being a let down lies more with me than Raf Simons. The one thing that I will "blame" RS for is that there were looks that were not merely reminiscent of Jil Sander, which is to be expected, but looks that were basically knock-offs of some of his Jil Sander creations. I dunno maybe he wanted a few of his signature looks from Jil Sander to be presented to broader Dior audience / market. I give him a ding for knocking off himself, but I am not too worked up over it if it is part his transition phase.

The let down for me is that I am "trained" to see a Dior show as a show / spectacle and I make no apology for that but at the same time I know that spectacle and elaborateness are not requirements for a collection or presentation to be deemed couture. If this collection is representative of Raf Simons' Dior, I can't cast aspersions but I doubt if Dior will be appointment viewing for me either. The clothes are beautiful and I hope to see his frocks in magazines, on the red carpet and on the street, but if the clothes or presentations do not capture my imagination then I don't feel guilty about not being an avid follower of Simons' Dior.
 
well i am so glad,Anna had a dinne rwith John with all the respect to her.. she is the boss of this industry.Rumors is spreading he is coming because Dior replaced him so quickly he had revenge on Dior ,now they are also going to fire RF too bad he is still good with menswear ,time for real haute couture and real fashion all these wannabes are making fashion real late, we need real luxury !
 
:lol: My friend sent me this picture this morning
 

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Exactly. It's very unproductive to compare Galliano's work to Simons'. They're very different designers with different aesthetics. That's not a bad thing, it's wonderful. We cannot and should not expect Simons' to create identical work to Galliano's.

This collection is lovely. It's an incredibly sophisticated and chic update on classic Dior. The tailoring and cuts are sublime. Some of the gowns and the early trouser suits are also highlights.

This is Raf Simons' very first collection for Dior and isn't his finished product. We mustn't expect too much, too soon. From the looks of things there's a lot to look forward to, though.

Post #149 was really spot on!

You are spot on. It's very unfair to compare like this. I love both designers and both designers have a different approach to design. With all that drama that Galliano would create for his collections. It's actually refreshing to see a Dior collection that is more sober and subdued. It seems to be that is exactly what Dior went to Raf for.
 

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