Designer & Fashion Insiders Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[lucy92]

Absolutely reckless. This person is so unprincipled, so unprofessional, so morally offensive. How are they still employed by Harpers Bazaar / Vogue France?

I imagine this person is a freelancer - they'd have to be right?

 

[Frederic01]

This Louis character is so symptomatic of the current social climate. He is drunk on the power afforded him by being a carefully crafted cocktail of intersectionality. We have received nonstop messaging for the last several years that someone who looks like him is incapable of doing wrong, that pearls of wisdom pour out of his mouth by the mere nature of his being, that anything he does carries weight and gravitas, that he is an unsung arbiter of all trends...I could go on. But this kind of messaging gets into people's heads. It fills his with delusions of grandeur and a dangerous sense of infallibility. It fills our head's with fear to ever question, dislike or call out his behavior...because we all know what we'll be called if we have no taste for his actions or words. We saw the same kind of nonsense coming from Billy Porter just a month or two ago...who had the audacity to believe he deserved a Vogue cover because we wears quinceanera dresses on the red carpet? And had an actual nerve to say that he is responsible for gender bending style full stop???

This has got to end.

Agree 100% with everything you said!

 

[Armani]

I’m just so disturbed by this entire situation… and torn as to on which end I stand (or DON’T stand, rather). My take is almost the exact same as @Steddycam91, so my apologies for the rewording here, but…

Regardless of whether or not these Pisano claims are true, we’ve already gotten word that Lee wasn’t the easiest man to work with on Earth previously. As successful as his Bottega was, the TWO Salon fiascos back-to-back, including claims of unprofessionalism, lack of regard for health/safety, & now overt racism, can simply not be defended nor excused, and I firmly believe Kering did the right thing. Yet it’s true the majority of the Bottega team under Lee are also White, and there’s a sense of security & comfortability emerging from that alone to say things you wouldn’t particularly say in front of a POC - Black person in particular, given the context here.

That’s not to excuse Pisano either, however. Between the JWAndersonKetamine situation & the publication of these Lee claims in such a public & tea-spilling manner (under the display name Bottega’s Vendetta, aptly enough), NO ONE with such an affiliation in fashion as that with Vogue France, even (if not especially, LOL…) with their previous scathing tweets against Alt & her lack of diversity taken into account, should be speaking on social media in the same vein as any other stan… there comes a point, when one has accumulated a large platform & a high position in society, where such carefree condemnation of those also in respectable positions can quite easily lead to legal action, along with possible/probable firing/“cancellation”/loss of peer support/loss of sponsorships on their OWN end, as a result. No one’s going to want to associate with Pisano soon if they only continue from this point on. There’s a reason why the bulk of influencers grow to become much more *wholesome* in their image when they attempt to make the transition over to pop culture. The difference between Pisano &, let’s say, a WWD or BoF writer, is that Pisano is merely a gossipy individual on their Twitter, whereas the writer operates to share fashion news under the company they work for. So I say this out of good faith - Pisano needs to STOP with the namedropping before it gets them & their peers/workplace in serious trouble.

Bottega will survive, and Blazy seemed like the most fitting candidate to replace Lee from the beginning (admittedly, I didn’t think I’d see the day when we heard he left post-Detroit, but alas… yet another piece of the puzzle that alludes to Daniel being the big problem though). Yet this may be the final straw of Daniel Lee, so long as the claims prove true… if not what I assume will turn out to be one hell of a LENGTHY end to a chapter.

*Edit 2.0: I realize I've capitalized a ton of words here.... just re-read my own comment as if I was belting out high notes, LOL. Forgive me.

 

[Benn98]

^Perfectly summed up!

Vogue may want to hold off from posting these 'Daniel Lee's Greatest Hits' type pieces until the matter is cleared up. I find it a bit tone-deaf. You don't want to be on the wrong side of history.

And can we maybe keep Billy Porter out of this? Billy is a consummate professional and has done loads to push gay and trans visibility into the mainstream. Porter's only crime appears to be the fact that he had the confidence to not only think he's worthy of a Vogue cover but to actually say it aloud. Despite the fact that others have gotten it for less. How dare he, right?

 

[WinstonH20]

Regardless of whether or not these Pisano claims are true, we’ve already gotten word that Lee wasn’t the easiest man to work with on Earth previously. As successful as his Bottega was, the TWO Salon fiascos back-to-back, including claims of unprofessionalism, lack of regard for health/safety...

With regards to the recent 'N-word' allegation, this is precisely why these types of unsubstantiated claims/gossip/allegations are so dangerous, because they sound like they could be true despite no credible evidence being presented . Do I believe that Lee was difficult to work with? Absolutely, but that's all I know at this point and until a credible journalist corroborates these very specific and serious allegations, I will have to leave it at that. I could say that I heard from a reliable source that Lee was physically and sexually abusive in the workplace (I didn't btw)...but hey, given that we already know he was difficult to work with, it sounds like it could be true, right? Let's now have a prolonged discussion about (the very real) issues of physical and sexual abuse in fashion.

Yet it’s true the majority of the Bottega team under Lee are also White, and there’s a sense of security & comfortability emerging from that alone to say things you wouldn’t particularly say in front of a POC - Black person in particular, given the context here.

See, this is more conjecture based on an (as of now) baseless allegation. The team and board are mostly White, so an employee saying the N-word during a meeting definitely sounds like it could be true. Sorry @Armani , I don't mean for this to sound like an attack on your entire point, which is nuanced and well thought out, it's just that a lot of misinformation/falsehoods spread like wildfire online today because they retain a kernel of truth (in this case that Lee was difficult to work with) despite a lack of evidence for the central allegation (that Lee used the N-word in a meeting). I'm not even a fan of Lee's Bottega or Kering for that matter, but whether or not this specific allegation is true, we will have to wait and see. For now, I am certain that Lee was a nightmare to work with and until we hear anything credible and specific, I will have to leave it at that.

That’s not to excuse Pisano either, however. Between the JWAndersonKetamine situation & the publication of these Lee claims in such a public & tea-spilling manner (under the display name Bottega’s Vendetta, aptly enough), NO ONE with such an affiliation in fashion as that with Vogue France, even (if not especially, LOL…) with their previous scathing tweets against Alt & her lack of diversity taken into account, should be speaking on social media in the same vein as any other stan… there comes a point, when one has accumulated a large platform & a high position in society, where such carefree condemnation of those also in respectable positions can quite easily lead to legal action, along with possible/probable firing/“cancellation”/loss of peer support/loss of sponsorships on their OWN end, as a result. No one’s going to want to associate with Pisano soon if they only continue from this point on. There’s a reason why the bulk of influencers grow to become much more *wholesome* in their image when they attempt to make the transition over to pop culture. The difference between Pisano &, let’s say, a WWD or BoF writer, is that Pisano is merely a gossipy individual on their Twitter, whereas the writer operates to share fashion news under the company they work for. So I say this out of good faith - Pisano needs to STOP with the namedropping before it gets them & their peers/workplace in serious trouble.

Completely agree.

 

[Armani]

See, this is more conjecture based on an (as of now) baseless allegation. The team and board are mostly White, so an employee saying the N-word during a meeting definitely sounds like it could be true. Sorry @Armani , I don't mean for this to sound like an attack on your entire point, which is nuanced and well thought out, it's just that a lot of misinformation/falsehoods spread like wildfire online today because it retains a kernel of truth (in this case that Lee was difficult to work with) despite a lack of evidence for the central allegation (that Lee used the N-word in a meeting).

You’re all good! I’m not taking it this way at all - I myself obviously don’t hang around in these circles, and have absolutely no clue whether these claims are in any way true or not. There’s additional context that can be used to guide people one way or the other - I definitely don’t consider Pisano the most reliable source by ANY means, and haven’t seen much to vet these claims (apart from those similar, if not lower, in source validity as them on Twitter - god forbid… so there truly is no direction I find myself leaning as of yet). I don’t want to remove the possibility of Lee having used the term in a meeting (nor the nudge Pisano’s made since then towards possible Detroit assault allegations), but equally as much have no reason to believe them as fully credible. Reputations are already getting tarnished as a result, but it’s still a waiting game for me just as much as it is for you as to whether… anything actually comes of it. I’m still firm that there’s too much piled on Lee at this point for him to be entirely innocent & for the firing to be unjustified. These Pisano claims are separate from simply *justifying a boot from Bottega*, and extremely, extremely serious. Therefore, if found untrue, it instead tarnishes the reputation of Pisano (which is exactly why these types of things probably shouldn’t be spewed on Twitter in such a nonchalant way, esp. when given by a third party, knowing the repercussions that can come of it for them, too… but I digress LOL)

 

[Benn98]

W Magazine trying to pull Travis Scott, Kylie Jenner cover after Astroworld

By Emily Smith and Sara Nathan
November 16, 2021 | 12:10pm

W Magazine is desperately trying to pull its upcoming edition after putting Travis Scott and Kylie Jenner on the cover, Page Six has learned.

Editors are in a tizzy over the issue following the Astroworld Festival tragedy, in which 10 people died and more than 300 were injured during a performance by Scott in Houston.

The Scott-Jenner cover, which also featured a big interview in the issue, was shot and printed before the Nov. 5 concert, but had not yet been shipped, prompting the scramble to recall the magazine before it hits store shelves, sources said.

“W editors have cleared any planned coverage of Travis and Kylie from their website, but the magazine was already printed, and now they are trying to stop the delivery trucks,” one source told Page Six.

“In the light of what happened at Astroworld, the interview and cover lines seem inappropriate, to say the least.”

Scott, 30, has been under a lot of scrutiny over Astroworld — which was attended by Jenner, 24, and their 3-year-old daughter, Stormi — and has been criticized by people who feel he could have stopped the chaos by halting his show earlier. This has been denied by his new spokeswoman.

Nike has also postponed its sneaker collaboration with Scott, as victims have launched a slew of lawsuits that have already topped 100 in the wake of the tragedy.

The rapper and his billionaire girlfriend, who is pregnant with their second child, have been staying at his $14 million Houston home since the incident.

Jenner and Stormi were at the gig with the “Keeping Up With the Kardashians” alum’s sister Kendall Jenner.

While Scott has said he is “devastated” by the incident, his spokesperson insisted, “He was not responsible for this, but he wants to be responsible for the solution.”

Tenor/Page Six

 

[susseinmcswanny]

The biggest joke of this Travis Scott thing is that he's partnering with the BetterHelp therapy app lol

 

[lucy92]

Here's a story about how LVMH is treating 150+ unionized workers in NYC.

Long story short: LVMH bought a historic landmark restaurant in NYC, shuttered it and strung along workers and city goverment officials - promising to reopen the venue in some form. Now workers with decades of service at a restaurant of significant cultural value are offered paltry payouts as low as $600 with no job guarantees.

 

[THD96]

Not to defend Chanel, cause €700 for this calendar is a scam. But Chanel already post the picture and the inside contents in the description, so why getting mad at the brand. Maybe next time read the description before buying something.

Chanel also deleted the TikTok account.

 

[aracic]

Girl really bought a box of crap so she could go on TikTok and roast Chanel for a minute of fame. Guess that's what the world is all about nowadays lol
I agree that the price is ridiculous, as are the products inside the calendar but like THD96 said it's literally all in the description and she knew exactly what she was buying. But hey, she ''racked up over 41 million views on TikTok'' so I guess she earned back her money's worth. Ridiculous people.

 

[Lola701]

Some smaller brands/younger designers needs to have their ego checked. She really believed that she invented something?

 

[aracic]

She really believed that she invented something?

Exactly. Sure, there are similarities but it's such an unoriginal design that it feels ridiculous to claim copyright over it. Also the comments claiming that there's no difference between the two dresses are insane to me because I see two rather distinct garments.

 

[Marc10]

A couple of interesting things in this video:

1- How touching was Virgil going to talk and cheer up the designer who didn't win. What a lovely guy.
2- How desperate Marc was acting around Arnault... kinda sad to watch.

 

[Lola701]

A couple of interesting things in this video:

1- How touching was Virgil going to talk and cheer up the designer who didn't win. What a lovely guy.
2- How desperate Marc was acting around Arnault... kinda sad to watch.

Marc has always been like that with Arnault. I always wonder if he saw him as a father figure. Except with Karl and Hedi, I don’t know if he had that same kind of relationship with the designers…

It’s a bit cringe because he is in his late 50’s now but I find it cute.

Yes, Virgil was a class act. But it seems like people kinda discovered his personality after his work.
The critics against him were always about his work and what it represented but not against him as an individual.

 

[LostInNJ]

Not to defend Chanel, cause €700 for this calendar is a scam. But Chanel already post the picture and the inside contents in the description, so why getting mad at the brand. Maybe next time read the description before buying something.

Chanel also deleted the TikTok account.

Girl really bought a box of crap so she could go on TikTok and roast Chanel for a minute of fame. Guess that's what the world is all about nowadays lol
I agree that the price is ridiculous, as are the products inside the calendar but like THD96 said it's literally all in the description and she knew exactly what she was buying. But hey, she ''racked up over 41 million views on TikTok'' so I guess she earned back her money's worth. Ridiculous people.

I think it was more the fact that Chanel charged what they did for that crap and got exposed. Good on her for doing that, IMO. Shame on Chanel for such an insidious money grab.

Yes, Virgil was a class act. But it seems like people kinda discovered his personality after his work.
The critics against him were always about his work and what it represented but not against him as an individual.

That's the problem these days...no one bothers to consider the human being that they are discussing. TFS included. Everyone walks around like they know better or how to do absolutely everything. With regards to TFS, a lot of it did seem quite personal and about him. Just re-read the comments in the threads...a lot of shots aimed at him.

 

[aracic]

I think it was more the fact that Chanel charged what they did for that crap and got exposed. Good on her for doing that, IMO. Shame on Chanel for such an insidious money grab.

Quite frankly, why wouldn't they when they're aware there are people like her who will pay for it just because they can anyway? It's not like Chanel prices were affordable and reasonable to begin with.

 

[KoV]

No one but the worst kind of desperate label wh*re would ever dream of buying that advent calendar, so kudos to Chanel for exploiting them. It’s sold out, of course.

 

[axiomatic]

Quite frankly, why wouldn't they when they're aware there are people like her who will pay for it just because they can anyway? It's not like Chanel prices were affordable and reasonable to begin with.

Exactly...at this point, what isn't an insidious money grab..

 

[susseinmcswanny]

I got bored and was googling about the ghislaine Maxwell case and why did I just find out Tom Ford has so many connections with Jeffrey Epstein I'm ded