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Dior Homme Mens F/W 08.09 Paris

Actually, I think the theme is "lumiere du nord"...which using my nonexistant French...I think means 'northern lights'? But this really doesn't explain much, because there are only a few pieces that hint toward it. Maybe KVA's styling is his problem? There are a few desirable items in there.

30 Days of Night ;)
 
So because say, a 20 year old isnt wearing a suit, more conservative clothing, he is not a sophisticated, "actual man"? There are some men who are more comfortable in these "wanna be rockstar" skinny jeans and tops of the pre-Kris era. What does this have to do with their level of sophistication?

And the men in this show are muscular, way too muscular for such skinny jeans.

uhm.... i know this is argueable.... but skinnies, loose tees and sneakers? sophisticated? are you sure?

there'll come one day when everyone who was a fan of Hedi's DH will grow out of that phase, that look. some people do it together with DH, other people do at another point in their life. fact is, a lot of people are hoping that Kris' DH will target more grown up, lets use your "conservative", type of man than Hedi did. growing up is a process every thing will need to do at some point in their life or production cycle. Dolce, Cavalli, they started out as loud, vibrant, overly sexual "in your face" brands, but with the years, all that subdued and cooked down to an essence. still sexy, but in a grown up way.

i want to believe that Dior Homme's essence is its' roots in the urban culture, while Hedi was a huge fan of rock and indie, i think Kris goes more for a hip-hop approach, at least from what i could see in his previous collections. his stuff comes close to "street credibility", to use that term. as long as Kris stays true to that essence i'll be happy but a brand can't use the same models and show the same rock influenced garment til the day it gets discontinued. fashion is a cycle, things and styles change. people who are whining now are just like kids who think that they don't wanna grow up. but fact is, you will have to one day.

but you can still remain true to your roots and essence while you're style changes & evolves over time. maybe (Hopefully!!!) this will be Kris' message in future.
 
Me too, I'm glad we're seeing older models (20s) and not the anorexic teenage fashion victims from MisShape. This is better than his previous collection and pobably a step in the right direction. Still, it doesn't bowl me over like a few Hedi Slimane collections before he was MisShapened. Ok, to be fair, I shouldn't compare him to Slimane, but Dior Homme is competing against YSL, Gucci, Raf Simons, etc., and this has to get up to par soon! I think the bigest problem of KvA is that he focuses a lot on details, trims, lapel shapes, etc.. some of them truly awful, like that jacket posted by issa, but misses out on the bigger picture, not zooming out to work conceptually on a stronger direction and the cut and cosntruction, and I don't think making it all black and shiny is enough to make it cohesive. The best example I can think of is the YSL this season, it's one strong identity but with so many variations.
 
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So because say, a 20 year old isnt wearing a suit, more conservative clothing, he is not a sophisticated, "actual man"? There are some men who are more comfortable in these "wanna be rockstar" skinny jeans and tops of the pre-Kris era. What does this have to do with their level of sophistication?

And the men in this show are muscular, way too muscular for such skinny jeans.
It has a lot to do with his level of sophistication actually, at least in my opinion. 18, 19, 20 year old boys, in general, are not sophisticated in their way of dressing, and this is coming from someone who is 21 years old. I think it's incredibly refreshing that this doesn't look like Saturday night at the Bowery Ballroom. Street_a_Licious already commented, and it seems that he and I feel similarly.

And, completely regardless of any personal preferences, once a look becomes so ubiquitous that you can find it in every youth oriented mass market chain store, on every pseudo-fashionable wannabe, it's time for a new chapter to unfold.
 
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but i don't understand this show to express what KAV,
i think he's very difficult to DH re brilliant.
missing Heid,missing my dior boy...
 
It has a lot to do with his level of sophistication actually, at least in my opinion. 18, 19, 20 year old boys, in general, are not sophisticated in their way of dressing, and this is coming from someone who is 21 years old. I think it's incredibly refreshing that this doesn't look like Saturday night at the Bowery Ballroom. Street_a_Licious already commented, and it seems that he and I feel similarly.

And, completely regardless of any personal preferences, once a look becomes so ubiquitous that you can find it in every youth oriented mass market chain store, on every pseudo-fashionable wannabe, it's time for a new chapter to unfold.

Agreed. I would much rather see an original and sophisticated point of view which can later be broken down by the customer and worn their own way. This reminds me of the fall Dior show of a couple years ago, which was a sort of very dark spin on YSL elegance. It was beautiful and it made a statement with it's lack of anything un-formal; but as a 19 year old male, it influenced the way I dress and my aesthetic more than the grungier, more obvious hipster collections.
 
Actually this collection really shocks me! I didn't expect KVA would do a collection like this, according to his first collection for Dior Homme. A bit surprising but a bit awkward.
KVA maybe struggles between the Hedi's reign of Dior Homme and his own understanding of Dior Homme, and he want to make a balance, so here is this collection. But, the result is not that satisfying...
KVA needs more time, we need more time...:rolleyes:
 
The shattered glass jacket, which I really liked, seems kind of inspired by Hedi's monumental (lol at least i think) love wound/blood shirts with the beaded blood on it. Maybe its just a coincidence, but thats what I thought of.

Besides that I agree that there is a weird fit on the models. The jackets are impressive, but the pants are silly.

The butterfly jacket is very um... startling, and beautiful. But, I think in real life would come off as VERY fey. Nothing wrong with that, I just like clothes that dont come with a sexuality built in. I hope that makes sense and doesnt offend anyone.

Overall I think its a good attempt. There are some solid pieces I would love to have. However, I was ok with the rail thin models of the past. Im naturally very thin, and was glad of hedi's influence on tailoring of menswear. Not all of us are "real men" (rolls eyes so hard head hurts.)

I dont understand how this is more "sophisticated" than Hedi's Dior Homme ? So this targets and older more worldly refined customer ? I dont know if anyone over 30 could pull some of this stuff off. If you think a silly queen in a butterfly jacket and harem pants is sophisticated... well.. thats sad.

Honestly, I think you could insert any of the nicer jackets in a Hedi collection and noone would notice. I really was kinda looking forward to him bringing something totally different to the label and he didnt at all.

I love the ukranian costume drama comment.
 
Not so much of disappointment per se, as I wasn't expecting anything from KVA. Personal speak? I do not like it, and will not drop a single penny at Dior Homme in F/W08. Looks like he's trying very hard to prove something, I don't know what in specific to pinpoint... just not very genuine.
 
i just think these kind of aesthetics speak more volumes to men of all areas of appearance. for hedi the latter years,as zazie said,it was mostly about the super-skinny pete doherty/misshape image and frankly that alienated alot of people....alot of potential clients that weren't willing to sacrifice not only their integrity to slave to that look but also their health. You think women are the only one's who have problems...i'm sure hedi helped forge a new scare for men with that aesthetic. this stuff i think will resonate more and more as seasons progress and connect with an array of expressive clientele.

and i hate that everybody just for his second collection is still panning him. as i recall hedi did leave rather abruptly....kris came in even more rapidly and had to design a small collection really fast. and alot of people hated it then and i saw all the pro-hedi and anti-van assche comment then....and now he's done his first more thoughtfully planned collection(oh yeah now that he's been given the time and effort)and the hate mongers have emerged yet again expressing their disdian whilst at the same time proclaiming how much they miss hedi and how hedi did such a better job and how much this is SO much like hedi.....it just sounds pure and utter bias because one's beloved decided to leave. i wish some people would just get over it already. rather being so disgusted by kris(whose fault this is not!)and calling him an idiot(which i did earlier in the thread)how about being pissed at hedi for leaving????
 
I've already said I don't hate this collection it's just that it's Dior Homme that I care really but I think a lack of cohesion is the main problem I have with it. It's such a random jumble of stuff paired together. The studded jacket is especially odd...I just don't see where it fits with anything else...The CD belts look tacky...the whole butterfly thing is annoying me as well, reminds me alot of the bumblebee.

Also I don't see how this is more sophisticated than Hedi in any way...AW06/07 the These Grey Days collection was basically this collection but done with a clearer mind. Dior suits were one of the biggest sellers. Plus this collection has tight trousers, black shiny hi-tops and lots of other more youth orientated items. I think stereotyping Hedi as just for skinny indie kids is quite an ignorant view of his stuff.

I feel sorry for KVA but at the same time he is a professional, his job is to make amazing collections and has been put on the biggest stage to create...Anyways Dior Homme has been dead to me for a year or so...I'll still follow his work though. I do hope he finds his vision.
 
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Dior Homme : From Indie To Argie
Godfrey Deeny
January 20th, 2008 @ 3:22 PM - Paris


Did Monsieur Dior, a classicist whose greatest claim to fame was creating a New Look collection of huge quantities of fabric in the midst of a post war shortage, ever imagine men going to work, dinner or night clubs wearing ski pants?

We suspect not. But Dior Homme’s men’s wear designer Kris Van Assche certainly has other ideas, as his debut runway collection staged Sunday night for the famed Paris house contained a score of piste trousers.

Van Assche finished his pants with satin piping and paired them with truncated frock coats, tails and a plethora of metallic tunics and jerkins – creating a collection of dark futurist club wear.

One might say that fashion is all about breaking rules and fresh ideas, but why emphasize classicism by staging the show in the holiest of French holies, in a tent practically on top of Napoleon’s Tomb in Les Invalides?

The collection did have some strong looks. Kris injected a romantic moment with feather butterfly bow ties – Papillion to the locals – cut a series of great vertically ribbed shirts and sent out a nattily tough series of bovver boots and rockabilly shoes, many given iridescent hues and finishes like a lot of apparel in the collection. They were pretty much all great. “Elegantly adventurous,” was Van Assche’s definition of the style.

Yet, ultimately, neither the show nor collection worked. The look was too arch - plastering jackets with a swarm of butterflies is another, or rendering tuxedo trousers fit for the slopes. Kris finished with about dozen, balloon-shape, multi-pleat Afghan pants, reprising an idea from his debut collection last summer. But, even these faltered, especially a farcical clowns version in shards of ribbons. Forget about changing gears in these trous.

Moreover, staging the show to chamber music by fellow Belgian, composer Wim Mertens, felt forced and too similar to a presentation of his predecessor Hedi Slimane. The models walked too slowly, the make up was soft horror movie and the space lacking in theatre.

There was a telling pause, in between the last tailored looks and a dozen chaps in white shirts, when the crowd almost applauded, but halted in a silence that felt like a sentence.

“I thought it was rather Dior. Dark, tailored, all about cutting, even if the ski pants were perhaps for an earlier era,” said Karl Lagerfeld, damning with faint fashion praise.

In a sense, it’s been unfair that, precisely because of immense popularity of Slimane, Van Assche is somehow blamed for his predecessor’s sudden departure, even though that was an upstairs management decision. Doubly so, as Van Assche, a sensitive guy, actually was Slimane’s assistant and therefore, somehow beholden to Hedi not to succeed.

It’s a dumb argument and not the way to rate a collection. Van Assche at least had the guts to go for it, and lay down his own groove, even if tonight it did not convince. But one can be certain, just as much as his own collection continues to flourish, he will improve with less pressure.

That said; if Hedi Slimane’s muse was a posh take of Pete Doherty; then Van Assche’s is the model son of a Buenos Aires tango dancer. Just that tonight in Paris the poor chap forgot his steps.
 
this is basically designed to cater the customer that can afford to look good in Dior homme.

Hedi was targeting the younger crowd, but at those prices, who but trustfund kids would be able to afford this? almost nobody. the only people that really banked were the other designers knocking off DH by Hedi and selling it at an affordable price, that 18,19yr old kids can actually afford.

horrible seeing 40-50 yr old gay guys walking around in DH looking ridiculous, cause sadly they're the only ones that can afford it.
 
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That said; if Hedi Slimane’s muse was a posh take of Pete Doherty; then Van Assche’s is the model son of a Buenos Aires tango dancer. Just that tonight in Paris the poor chap forgot his steps.

haha good analogy. IMO the thing that this collection lacked, that previous DH collections had so much of was a "lust factor". Pieces that made u want to do anything for: be it loose weight or pay a months rent for. that’s the allure of fashion in general. nothing here does that.
 
I like the mens salwar pants , its different , it looks comfy and roomy but the skinny pants NO WAY ...im sorry but skinny pants on men are:sick::sick: , unless they want to strangle their balls lol .:innocent:
 
Eh, after looking through this, I'm not convinced. Makes me wonder how long KVA will continue to stay with the brand...

I agree, this collection comes off as mostly awkward and derivative. I thought KVA was going to reposition the brand with the formal, elegant, and aristocratic energy from the S/S 08 presentation, nope.
 
I think I expect too much from Kris. He doesn't give me that wow when I look at that collection. Oh well.
 

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