Model Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[Littleathquakes]

Cameron Russell was on Nightline tonight talking about her views on the modeling industry based off of that video that was posted a while back. I was all for it though I don't understand why she is still modeling then. It kind of ruined the point

exactly. I even said it back when we had the discussion when the first video surfaced - she comes off as a hypocrite, so it's hard to actually take her seriously even though what she says is objectively correct.

 

[theBlueRider]

exactly. I even said it back when we had the discussion when the first video surfaced - she comes off as a hypocrite, so it's hard to actually take her seriously even though what she says is objectively correct.

You're correct that she comes from a very wealthy family with many social connections.
What she's saying is actually subjectively correct but objectively incorrect. It's hard for a single model to generalize the entire modeling experience. A modeling career is a very unique experience that varies by person. Obviously, Cameron's experience in modeling is totally different from other white models who come from poor backgrounds and models who come from different countries. Her experience is totally different from someone like Iris S, Saskia, Yasmin Warsame etc.

I'm happy for Cameron's success and I'm glad she realizes a lot of it is based off legacy but it's not for every model. I don't think she realizes the fact that she's from a wealthy, socialite family gave her the upper hand at planting the seeds for her modeling career--not just her looks. At the beginning of her career, there was a lot of similar speculation as you hear with Cara today (family connections, the height issue since Cameron is very very far off from 5'10").

She's forgetting to mention that sometimes success in modeling is who you know (Lily McMenamy, Lydia Hearst, Mariacarla Boscono and all the other celebrity and socialite offspring). Many models get an "in" at an agency if a booker is a family friend or if a photographer is a family friend. But then there are girls who are a true genetic jackpot with a rare combination of body, height and face like Heidi Klum and Lara Stone (and both of them had a very different career experience than Cameron).

 

[Littleathquakes]

Well no, because what you're describing, which is her experience in the industry, isn't related to the message she's delivering. So that's where the hypocrisy appears. But her message in the speech - that modeling should not be a career goal for young girls - is objectively true. And one of the reasons is that anyone who crunches numbers and looks at the rate of success will tell any logical rational person to run the opposite direction. The success rate is simply not encouraging at all. And she furthers her message with a more female-empowering overall message, that there are other career paths for young girls. Which is objectively correct - your chances of finding success within another career outside of modeling is statistically far greater.

 

[theBlueRider]

Well no, because what you're describing, which is her experience in the industry, isn't related to the message she's delivering. So that's where the hypocrisy appears. But her message in the speech - that modeling should not be a career goal for young girls - is objectively true. And one of the reasons is that anyone who crunches numbers and looks at the rate of success will tell any logical rational person to run the opposite direction. The success rate is simply not encouraging at all. And she furthers her message with a more female-empowering overall message, that there are other career paths for young girls. Which is objectively correct - your chances of finding success within another career outside of modeling is statistically far greater.

Hm, I think we're talking about different things. I wasn't really pointing out any kind of hypocrisy. I think her message about modeling doesn't encompass all different kinds of modeling. It's a very narrow perspective.

It's true that the chances for any girl becoming the next Gisele Bundchen or Heidi Klum is slim. But finding success in modeling is actually much higher than one would think. Most people think of high profile high fashion editorial as the only way to be successful and that's what Cameron seems to define as "modeling" (It's also the only type of modeling covered in these "the real world of modeling" articles). But there are many many women who dabbled in more "money" type work and secondary markets. I know many models who travel on money contracts (60-80K for a 6 week trip) and use that money to launch/invest in other goals or schooling. That's one definition of success. Modeling can be realistic. Many of the models who have these "realistic" careers are models you've probably never heard of because they're not doing image work, they don't have a tfs thread, they don't shoot editorials but they're extremely successful. You can look at the agencies in markets like Hamburg, Hong Kong, LA, Miami, Chicago and think "hahaha none of these models are successful. They're just wasting their time and have no chance at becoming a real successful model." The fact that no one acknowledges these types of models as "real models" skews the success rate idea.

 

[lelaid]

I don't think Cameron is bad mouthing the entire industry. What she's saying (or at least when I understand she is saying) is that regular girls shouldn't be held to the same standards as models. That models are essentially genetic freaks and while it may seem like the grass is greener for them, it often times isn't. I think she's doing a nice service by actually going out there and saying "even I don't look like that".

 

[dsamg]

http://www.vanityfair.com/society/2013/05/model-mogul-nightclub-brawl-double-seven
Jessica sounds extremely immature...

 

[HeatherAnne]

Douche bags, all of them. The rich trust fund pricks who think they're tougher than they are and Hock who is nearing 50 yet hangs out with a crowd who are all around 25 year olds (give or take a year). This setup had impending disaster written all over it. Like the writer said, it's the oldest story in the world.

 

[ad31214]

I literally feel sympathy for none of the guys involved.

 

[franki]

oh no, the kid drank from my (free) $450 vodka
talk about 'first world problems'

 

[CharlottefromCA]

The only interesting part of the story for me was Natasha texting/damage control following the fight.. probably thinking "how the hell did i end up here?!" lol

 

[zacatecas570]

^Exactly, she's a lady, everyone knows that!

 

[FRANCY ITALY]

I extracted these parts from a recent long interview that Isabeli did, i am traslating from portuguese, so it's not perfect but the sense is clear

"People have no idea what a model has to bear every day. In this business there are a lot of snob people, rude photographers who feel on top of the world. There is a very famous brand that thinks that the entire world is there to make them a favor, including me. It's annoying..."

... "Really it is a kind of job that meets the worst type of people. I've already seen scenes like: in the runway line, backstage, staff pushes models so badly to make them enter the catwalk and most of these people are painful for how rude they are. I once was present when a model fell down on her face for the push. In the backstage, everything is screamed in an arrogant way, i still remember when a very famous stylist yelled at me not to cross my arms, because i was going to ruin the dress. I replied with the same tone: "darling, i am professional, lower your voice to talk with me."

Lol i love Isabeli when she talks about these kind of stories

 

[EnModeArtiste]

"People have no idea what a model has to bear every day. In this business there are a lot of snob people, rude photographers who feel on top of the world. There is a very famous brand that thinks that the entire world is there to make them a favor, including me. It's annoying..."

PRRRRRAAAAAAADDDDAAAAAA !

 

[ad041715]

^ That was my first thought as well although it could be ANY brand. What does she mean by "doing them a favor"?

I love her response to the famous stylist.

 

[foreverandnone]

Maybe walk for free? Or do an ad for low pay ?

 

[Littleathquakes]

I love Isabeli. I always wanted to know what happened backstage after her run in with Nicole Trunfio in the Dolce Gabbana Spring/Summer 2005 show.

 

[lelaid]

^ I've never heard about that! Please, tell me more!

 

[Style Savvy]

bellazon

 

[lucy92]

^ That was my first thought as well although it could be ANY brand. What does she mean by "doing them a favor"?

I love her response to the famous stylist.

my guess is H&M.

 

[arlekindearrabal]

I've noticed those kind of things in run-through and rehearsal videos. Some of the production staff seem really stressed out and looking to get it out on the models. I've also seen a vid where Alber Elbaz was rude to a girl during a rehearsal, almost making her fall just because he wanted to adjust the way she was holding a bag.