Model Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[fashionkitten7]

I think the very important part which you're omitting here is the image she painted (or continues to paint) of herself. That precedes idolisation, imo. You don't blame the victim for being conned by a swindler, you blame the swindler for conning in the first place. People didn't just assume she was this super-being, she projected that image. And so people got angry when they discovered they've been duped by her, then even more angrier when they found out that the 'real' persona wasn't all that likeable to begin with. So the moral of the story here? Be yourself! Yes, it's a cliché, but it's exceedingly relevant when you're in the public eye. We don't live in the 50's where everything needs to be sanitised. Kate Moss and Naomi Campbell are perennial bad girls, bitchy and vain with abandon, yet it seems people love them even more for those very reasons. And they've got charity efforts. These two are of course the extreme in a way, but there was no need for all that charmed Cinderella tosh which Natalia told to anyone who'd listen.

I have never noticed Natalia painting anything of herself intentionally. That's what I can't agree with. If she did it, she did it no more than any other public person, who is expected to pose in a certain way. You can't blame her for being a public person, can you?

As to being yourself.. Well, Snejana is being herself, is she liked much by people here? And, I don't know as to Kate, but I bet Natalia has more fans than Naomi. So, 'being yourself' doesn't always work in your favour, especially if you're a celebrity. And, personally, I think if they all were liked for being themselves, that would be wrong. And, why do you even say she's not being herself? That may be the person she is in reality - kind and caring and someone, who wants to be liked and seen the certain way. Even if we consider the latter to be bad, the good and the bad may very well go together. In fact, they do most of the time. I myself, however, don't see what's bad in a desire to be liked, especially when you're a famous model.

Finally, why is Cinderella story a tosh? Her life story is pretty much a Cinderella one (or it was until she and Justin split up). Yes, she did tell it a little too much, but that's not what we're talking about here, right? We're talking about her personality, not her life story.

 

[tigerrouge]

When Michael Gross entitled his book, "The Ugly Business of Beautiful Women", he wasn't far wrong when it comes to the fashion world, where public appearance is everything, and anything goes in private.

 

[Srdjan]

On Instagram, Claudia follows only Cindy, Eva, Linda and Naomi when it comes to models. Maybe not interested in younger fellow models? I must add that she doesn't follow a lot of people (around 80), but she does follow fashion personalities like stylists, editors, as well as brands and magazines.

 

[kokobombon]

^I don´t think it´s a matter of being interested but that she follows friends and people she actually knows. At this point in her career I don´t think she relies in social media to get jobs and such

 

[Elite13]

Also, she's followed by younger models because she's an icon to them while they're not icons to her, I guess.

 

[Cute]

Andres Sanjuan received backlash in the comments for this photo.

Also, this was on his Instagram Story.

Thoughts on this cultural appropriation?​

 

[Elite13]

Meh.. it's not exactly new. Just ignorant guys being ignorant. Sad but true.

 

[June]

I can't see what's wrong there, seriously! It's the same thing little boys or girls do at carnival: dressing up as a different person (e.g. of a different ethnicity) for fun. At which age exactly is that forbidden? And, foremost: WHY?
Call me ignorant, but I come from Germany and if somone of a different country dresses up as a "typical bavarian" with "Lederhosn" or a dirndl and thinks this is how Germans look like (even most Bavarians never dress like that!) I would smile and maybe roll my eyes but I would certainly not feel attacked.
But maybe that's an american issue with trying to be so thoughtful about minorities and native Americans that you don't dare to do anything that might not be approved by everyone. I just don't understand it.

 

[sixtdaily]

I think "cultural appropriation" is an American thing. I don't think people would be shocked by this kind of photos in France...

 

[GeneticallyChill]

I can't see what's wrong there, seriously! It's the same thing little boys or girls do at carnival: dressing up as a different person (e.g. of a different ethnicity) for fun. At which age exactly is that forbidden? And, foremost: WHY?
Call me ignorant, but I come from Germany and if somone of a different country dresses up as a "typical bavarian" with "Lederhosn" or a dirndl and thinks this is how Germans look like (even most Bavarians never dress like that!) I would smile and maybe roll my eyes but I would certainly not feel attacked.
But maybe that's an american issue with trying to be so thoughtful about minorities and native Americans that you don't dare to do anything that might not be approved by everyone. I just don't understand it.

It's because Native Americans were almost (if not outright) stripped of their culture and identity (there was a huge problem of stealing kids off reservation to turn them 'white'). Now others see the prettiness/beauty in the culture and use it as a fashion statement, while the native Americans were persecuted because of it.

These 'kids' will never be raped, killed, and or persecuted for wearing the headdress (though they will be ridiculed online for it) but Native Americans were (and sometimes still are).

 

[June]

Okay then that's a thing like saying "bis zur Vergasung" in Germany (which is supposed to mean something like "until the very bitter end" but is a pun linked to the death of jews in German "Konzentrationslagern" during the Nazi-Regime. You just don't say it. You don't. Because you surely don't want to play down the genocide that has been done by some of your ancestors if you are German.
But this kid is Spanish, right? I'm very sure he isn't aware of the feelings this might hurt (like most people in Europe surely aren't) and doesn't dress up like that because he is ignorant like I would not suppose an American who makes fun of Nazi-Regime to be a bad person.

But thank you very much for explaining why it is so crucial for Americans to avoid dressing like a "typical Native American", I really didn't understand until now.

 

[Mea Culpa]

I would not suppose an American who makes fun of Nazi-Regime to be a bad person.

But thank you very much for explaining why it is so crucial for Americans to avoid dressing like a "typical Native American", I really didn't understand until now.

Two things...
First - any American who makes fun/light of the Nazi-Regime is an a$$hole... WWII is taught about in American schools beginning in the fourth grade and revisited several times through graduation... in fact we learn more about the Holocaust than we do about the genocide and marginalization of Native Americans (sad but true)... which is probably why you'll rarely see an American in Nazi regalia but BurningMan, Coachella, etc, is full of idiots in headdresses.

Second - Thanks for listening to, and really taking on board, GeneticallyChill's (very good) explanation of why non-natives in headdress is, and should be, offensive...

Having said that... I really blame the stylist... and ignorance... especially ignorance... in my late teens/early 20's I participated in photoshoot where I was put in a headdress... I honestly just didn't know any better... this was the 90's so the internet wasn't what it is today and in that I'm lucky... hopefully the backlash will teach him something...

 

[fluxxx]

But this kid is Spanish, right? I'm very sure he isn't aware of the feelings this might hurt (like most people in Europe surely aren't)

Correct me if I'm wrong but as someone also pointed on his Instagram comment, wasn't Spain colonialized and enslaved the natives before?

 

[anaa lpz]

Correct me if I'm wrong but as someone also pointed on his Instagram comment, wasn't Spain colonialized and enslaved the natives before?

But no one in Spain cares about that.
I'm from Spain and without the context I got from people during my life, I wouldn't have been able to see why everyone was so upset. And that's the problem with many people. Some will do it on purpose, but most of them are just ignorant. And being ignorant has always been dangerous.

 

[StoneSkipper]

Well, people who need to have an opinion on this (Native Americans) most likely already do... but it really bothers me that people are still fighting about cultural appropration (not because they shouldn't, but they shouldn't have to). If we hadn't screwed up so royally early on, perhaps we could've all shared cultures and everyone would be free to wear whatever they wanted without mocking or hurting anyone... I guess when the kids can't play nice with their toys, you have to take them out of the playground.
I really wish that, sometime in the future, this whole talk will be a thing of the past and we can learn how to set things somewhat right and celebrate other cultures appropriately. I won't live to see it - hell, I think I'm just being naïve and this will never happen... but it's just my two cents. It's all very tiring for me, and I can't imagine how tiring it must be for the people who actually had their cultures mocked and oppressed.

 

[SpeakThatJDunn]

WTF is up with Abbey Lee on IG? She deleted all her pics except two random videos from 2014. She seems sketchy.

 

[Cute]

Maybe she got hacked? Those are quite awkward videos lol.

 

[dsamg]

WTF is up with Abbey Lee on IG? She deleted all her pics except two random videos from 2014. She seems sketchy.

I am guessing that now that she is a 'serious actress' her management advised her to delete all her old pictures and videos that are associated with the old image she used to have.

 

[Elite13]

She also has a private instagram account so I doubt she cares too much about the public one

 

[Littleathquakes]

lol she gets an 'ugh' from me whenever I see a post about her. I don't even care her reasons for doing so, I just don't see the point. you can't deny your past. especially one as public as hers. and until she proves herself as an actress, trying to erase a modeling career won't do anything for it anyway.