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I looked at new YSL bags and accessories, which are giant profit sources for a Fashion label. To be honest, they are quite disappointing comparing with the past items. If they can't sell bags well, it is not far to see that child gets fired again, no need to say couture.

Hiring a kid and giving him full control is the biggest mistake that Pinault has ever made. LVMH is notorious, but the CEO is smarter on picking people.
 
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The collection is 'OK'. I'm not sure it's worth getting rid of Pilati for 'OK', and it's definitely not worth all this hoo-ha with YSL (or Hedi) vs The World.

I'm curling up with second-hand embarrassment, and with the dialogue between BOF and YSL's PR team this attitude seems to be institutionally rife at YSL which really makes me sad. I can't work out whether all of this cattiness is deliberate (as in any headlines are good headlines and it keeps YSL in public consciousness) or not. Either way it's extremely disrespectful to the history of the house.

Prior to the collection I didn't really have an opinion on Hedi. I hoped he would let the collection do the talking. But he didn't, and every time he opens his mouth or tweets another tweet I lose more and more respect. And the more and more this goes on for, the more respect I lose for YSL too.
 
balmain1914 said:
I looked at new YSL bags and accessories, which are giant profit sources for a Fashion label. To be honest, they are quite disappointing comparing with the past items. If they can't sell bags well, it is not far to see that child gets fired again, no need to say couture.

Hiring a kid and giving him full control is the biggest mistake that Pinault has ever made. LVMH is notorious, but the CEO is smarter on picking people.
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yes, the bags are dull (to say the nicest thing that can be said about them) and the shoes are so basic, date, unappealing and even ugly (some of them). I don't see the accessories selling like they used to, even with all the hype in the world.
 
Some of the pieces from this collection are rather nice but as a whole I'm just not crazy about it. I don't really like the bohemian vibe from the collection, it seems a bit stale and so incredibly mass commercialized (through other brands and such) it doesn't feel luxurious. And since Saint Laurent is suppose to be a luxury brand, I'm so not feeling that from the collection. It seems more like the type of clothes that Hedi's LA buddy's would wear.
 
it's so funny to me because these are the same exact criticisms hedi faced at dior homme a couple years ago! "not luxurious enough" "looks like topman collection" "i could get the same at the vintage thrift shop" lol... but as a dior homme customer who still has a lot of pieces in my closet (even though i admit i can't fit into most anymore but that's a different story :cry:) i can honestly say the truth is in the subtle details, the materials, the construction and most importantly the cut, a simple leather jacket, a trench coat or even the most basic jeans can look a million ways but hedi definitely does it like no other imo..
 
YoninahAliza said:
Some of the pieces from this collection are rather nice but as a whole I'm just not crazy about it. I don't really like the bohemian vibe from the collection, it seems a bit stale and so incredibly mass commercialized (through other brands and such) it doesn't feel luxurious. And since Saint Laurent is suppose to be a luxury brand, I'm so not feeling that from the collection. It seems more like the type of clothes that Hedi's LA buddy's would wear.
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Exactly!
 
I find it rather annoying that this beautiful collection is clouded by the childish arguments about god knows what....
 
iluvjeisa said:
I find it rather annoying that this beautiful collection is clouded by the childish arguments about god knows what....
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It's quite obvious that people are not finding it quite as beautiful as you do and some of them are passionate and want to express their opinions. What I find annoying is that sometimes I get the feeling that discussion is going to be prohibited at some point and this forum will become a fashion photography archive.
 
Pretty sure iluvjeisa is talking about the arguments between Hedi and Cathy Horyn, not here on TFS :flower:
 
Melancholybaby said:
It's quite obvious that people are not finding it quite as beautiful as you do and some of them are passionate and want to express their opinions. What I find annoying is that sometimes I get the feeling that discussion is going to be prohibited at some point and this forum will become a fashion photography archive.
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Oh, I didn't mean that people here were childish...now I see that's the most logical interpretation of what I said :doh: I was referring to SL and CH and whatnot. Especially the SL tweet was detracting from what I think is a wonderful collection - a homage that is more to my liking that TF's.

I don't want tFS to be a shrine of worship or an archive only and I love discussion, will always be a defender of it, in fact.
 
In that case I'm sorry I misinterpreted your post. And yes eventhough I'm not a fan of the collection I agree that the Cathy Horyn arguments should be kept for Rumour Has It. This thread should be solely about the collection.
 
Melancholybaby said:
In that case I'm sorry I misinterpreted your post. And yes eventhough I'm not a fan of the collection I agree that the Cathy Horyn arguments should be kept for Rumour Has It. This thread should be solely about the collection.
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But what is the proper on-topic scope of a thread/discussion/archive of a tfs thread? The discussion, I believe, must extend to the designer and what their inspirations were; their mindset; their proposal for where sartorial codes should go. For me, that is what I am looking to read from a collection when I feel and analyse it's visual message relating to body, form, elegance, colour auras, sex, edge, deportment, attitude.

All of that filters into the reception of and further visual schema associated with the collection. The campaigns and editorials which, in the system, disseminate and interprate the message of the collection. And then, if you must celebrity, and street style, captures of the way the message was lived in social reality until SS13 gets to the sale racks and/or the nights start to draw intowards (omg) 2014.

So I see that forums (fora?) may be expansive in their scope. Not to die the day after we see the clothes and state an early gut reaction (often the best but do have an open mind) But inclusive of the reception of the collection (of which we are a small but hopefully growing corner) and it's scopic regime dispersal (campaigns and editorials) and translation onto racks in living bodies in real time and down (or up) into sales figures.

Now please do not get the wrong end of the stick here mods. I believe my proposal here amounts to a loose, expansive type of scope inclusive moderation. A bit perhaps like Celine's SS13 proposal to loosen the knots :D along with Miuccias crumpling and fur spa towels at MiuMiu ;) and Ricks ephemeral urban beach smocking connecting to Yohji's urban japonisme sarongs. We might say life's an urban beach. If we can get there. In ss13. Season of natural clean nudes and light. The beauty of the shrouded nude - in nature.

And this bit is on topic because if the strange darkness proposal for SS13 is not accepted - because the polar view is preferred - in campaigns, editorials and shops then New (Y)SLimane by Hedi Slimane photographed by Hedi Slimane starring Hedi Slimane, in all it's blackness, will flop.

I for one am feeling the light. Though it is dimmed, refracted (or bleached holy). Blushes of natural colour - sands, seas, golds, bronzes, nudes. Clean. Pure. Ecstatic. And irony on irony it could be Rick Owens who just about takes the top award. With Protege Gareth softening in his progression alongside. These were the Lords of Darkness but soft for stand aside curtain raised for the New Lordof darkness (Mr Slimane)

But soft, what light through yonder window breaks?
It is the east, and Juliet is the sun.
Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,
Who is already sick and pale with grief
That thou, her maid, art far more fair than she.


Romeo And Juliet Act 2, scene 2, 2–6
 
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Oh - I forgot the conclude to that which I quoted. So - because a collection thread may also be about the reception of the collection, which includes understanding a designer (particularly one new to womenswear at this level) his character - revealed in his spats and tweets - is a lot to do with how we read the collection. The question would we (you) like him to dress you is a new one and ongoing one, for this collection, on into 2013. What is he like? Do we accept his proposal? That we should dress to his eye. His black eye :huh:
 
the thing is, it just seems so much noise for a collection that,were it not for the name nobody would actually be talking about- it's neither good or bad, it just means nothing
 
^ Probably that the collection isn't that interesting. But really, in all the time I've been following fashion, this is the most unprofessional thing I've ever seen a designer do in a professional context, so it's naturally going to garner attention.

Apparently he's unaware that living well (e.g., commercial success) is the best revenge :innocent: There's a great deal of power in silence ... I used it to effect myself this week, and the person who attacked me was left looking like a jacka$$. Not that I think Cathy has 'attacked' him by any means ...

I also think it's pretty silly to claim you were the first to do just about anything in fashion. Popularize something, perhaps, but invent it? Dream on, in the vast majority of cases.

I thought Lisa Armstrong's piece was a pretty good example of how to write about the fact that you weren't invited to a show. It seems that Cathy is just one of many who weren't invited by the new bizarro YSL team ...
 
I miss Pilati.
This collection is nothing new. It is a boring and cheap collection. I do see some YSL-ish looks.
It is not modern. Love the idea of the hats for every look though.

What is going on with Saint Laurent? I dont see any good changes with the House.
I mean first the name- obviously a bad idea and the creative director -Heidi Slimane.

I dont care about the designer's behavior as long as he/she produces good collections,
but Heidi is just bad at everything. YSL has turned into a really cheap brand. The advert campaign is already bad enough and now the collection- Stefano please!
 
fashionista-ta said:
^ Probably that the collection isn't that interesting. But really, in all the time I've been following fashion, this is the most unprofessional thing I've ever seen a designer do in a professional context, so it's naturally going to garner attention.

Apparently he's unaware that living well (e.g., commercial success) is the best revenge :innocent: There's a great deal of power in silence ... I used it to effect myself this week, and the person who attacked me was left looking like a jacka$$. Not that I think Cathy has 'attacked' him by any means ...

I also think it's pretty silly to claim you were the first to do just about anything in fashion. Popularize something, perhaps, but invent it? Dream on, in the vast majority of cases.

I thought Lisa Armstrong's piece was a pretty good example of how to write about the fact that you weren't invited to a show. It seems that Cathy is just one of many who weren't invited by the new bizarro YSL team...
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I wonder who he will invite next season, there hasn't been one good review this time and I suspect many won't be invited back. seems like he's building himself an ivory tower where no criticism whatsoever is allowed....
 
Hedi Slimane used to be this shy, very talented designer, but now he is just a diva.

I am sure the collection will sell well, if women want to look like Mrs Catroux in the 70s, they know where to shop now....
 
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