Slimane and Galliano

[doo888]

However i cannot see how in other countries (Paris, Tokio) both are in 1 store in my oppinion they should both be togther in Dior stores. i hope this helps its just what i got told from an emmployee!

I guess with both the stores in Paris and the Omotesando store in Japan Hedi has been allocated his own space/floor to do what he wishes.

The Sloane St. store is tiny and seriously couldn't imagine fitting DH in there as well as Dior Femme..

 

[dsq]

i think galliano is good for the women's line and slimane is good for the men's line. Both designers have brought the label back onto the spotlight and increased sales. No need to argue who is better than who because imo they have such different styles it's like comparing apples and oranges. They are both fruit, but different types of fruit.

 

[rive gauche]

I'm not to fond of the work of Galliano nor Slimane's work for Dior, but I think Galliano is more "in the spirit" of Christian Dior.
Slimane stays Slimane, when you see his designs,he did for YSL and Dior, it stays the same hand, same collection.It has nothing to do with the identity of the house he's working for.
He should do his own label, but maybe he hasn't the guts to do it.

Can't wait to see what LVMH will do with the interior design of the Dior Homme shops, if Slimane leaves Dior.....

 

[doo888]

I'm not to fond of the work of Galliano nor Slimane's work for Dior, but I think Galliano is more "in the spirit" of Christian Dior.
Slimane stays Slimane, when you see his designs,he did for YSL and Dior, it stays the same hand, same collection.It has nothing to do with the identity of the house he's working for.
He should do his own label, but maybe he hasn't the guts to do it.

Can't wait to see what LVMH will do with the interior design of the Dior Homme shops, if Slimane leaves Dior.....

Dior didn't have its own menswear identity in the first place which is why Slimane was brought in to set up the DH atelier, and fundamentally, the separate entity of a Christian Dior menswear.

Thus, if he did leave as creative director for DH, the interior design of all the stores will more than likely be left as they are.

As for Hedi doing his own line, don't be naive and simply presume 'he hasn't the guts', one has to figure out where financial backing will come from, take into account the current contractual agreement he has at DH, and the development of an entirely different business model.

 

[birdofparadise]

I think there certainly are similarities between his work for YSL and Dior, it is the same designer, after all. If you compare and contrast, however, it will start to become apparent that there most certainly was an ideal he was striving toward at YSL, especially when it comes to color, fabric choices, and silhouette. I think some of his experiments in volume at YSL were great and almost need to be reexplored. It didn't seem he approached design there through rock music. It even seemed to be a different body ideal there, he was dressing a different man, more in the vein of the jaded but efficient YSL hedonist that Ford attempted to dip in bronze while at the house. Slimane was certainly going somewhere with it and it would have been interesting to see where he would have wound up.

 

[justinleaddict]

Personally, Galliano wins in my book. Yes, a lot of his stuff is over the top and sometimes terribly unwearable but I think that he's the one with the talent. He's the one that brought Dior back to the attention of the fashion flock. I find his stuff much more imaginative and creative then Hedi's, and I think that his design skills far exceed that of his menswear counterpart....just my opinion of course.

I agree!

I'v been hearing talk lately about how Dior has lost its creativity and such. Sure, the handbags are a bit dull, and the RTW clothing, from what i'v seen, is a tad more simple than it has been in past collections, but that doesn't meen Galliano is selling out. I enjoy seeing him make clothing that is more wearable. Besides, that is where they get most of their profit isn't it? Thats a bit off-topic though...Anyway- Hedi and Galliano don't really have any similarities, besides the name Dior.

 

[Diamond & Pearls]

The two couture houses are in the same street in Paris, but it's totally two differents things.. There's absolutly no relation and no consulting between Hedi and Galliano.They really have two differents vision of estetics, i guess it would be a nightmare if they should consult each other on the points of the collection.you can also compare what Galliano did for menswear and what hedi does!!..no exactly the same cut!! etc....

 

[svil]

I think Galliano have made the revolution of menwear. He integrate many womenwear element to menwear, so creative and increditable. Even many clothes he designed are unwearable, but I think this industry need someone to inspire others. John Galliano have done it. For Hedi, I also appreciate his design. He design so many wearable and good clothes, however, compare with Galliano, he is less creative. Blazer,jeans,tee and then mix it. Not too much change in cutting.

 

[Fade to Black]

I think there certainly are similarities between his work for YSL and Dior, it is the same designer, after all. If you compare and contrast, however, it will start to become apparent that there most certainly was an ideal he was striving toward at YSL, especially when it comes to color, fabric choices, and silhouette. I think some of his experiments in volume at YSL were great and almost need to be reexplored. It didn't seem he approached design there through rock music. It even seemed to be a different body ideal there, he was dressing a different man, more in the vein of the jaded but efficient YSL hedonist that Ford attempted to dip in bronze while at the house. Slimane was certainly going somewhere with it and it would have been interesting to see where he would have wound up.

Good observation on Hedi at YSL. Viewing the collections, even though there's still some traces of the angry/dark foundation of the signature Slimane aesthetic, I find a lot of it is still very much YSL luxury, although a more younger approach as opposed to Ford/Pilati (especially the latter). My favorite Dior collections by Hedi are the early ones like the first three where he continued to experiment with couture processes in menswear, I thought it was unique, especially the continuation of the volume theme of Solitaire. Even though Luster/Strip were outbursts of genius, I started to see the rock/youth culture theme starting to take over, sort of like a compromise between the DH of 'old' and its current aesthetic as it still maintained a lot of experimentation. Sadly, it seems as the brand needed commercialization, the design aspect seems like (IMO) has gradually taken a backseat to the styling aspect, which is what Hedi seems more immersed in these days.

 

[Hedi Slimane]

Both designer bulid an image entire seperate from each other. Galliano look more to the movie while Hedi find inspiration from music. Therefore they should stay seperate!!

Funnily enuff both Galliano + Hedi are the most influential designer for Womenswear and Menswear existed today respectively!

 

[JuiceMajor]

I want to see Hedi design for womenswear in the future. Maybe under his own name!! That would be very interesting!!

 

[doo888]

birdofparadise & FTB,

I couldn't agree with you guys more

 

[Hedi Slimane]

succesfully?

He sends crasy get ups down the runway but in stores they are as common as anything else.

According to Suzy Menkes, Galliano Hoome SS2006 is more successful compare to Dior Homme....we can't argue with that!!

 

[svil]

According to Suzy Menkes, Galliano Hoome SS2006 is more successful compare to Dior Homme....we can't argue with that!!

Yes! I think Hedi want to break the deadlock of his design(slim and street rock), but it is not successful. Galliano have made his clothes more wearable

 

[Lena]

even though i'm not a Dior girl.. dare say i somehow prefer Hedi to John

 

[Diamond & Pearls]

I love Dior homme by Hedi and i hate Dior femme by John, the fabrics are really cheap, now every little girl has the dior bag, and they think they are a la mode but it s the contrary! But i recognize that galliono is a genius , but his clothes are more theatrical.. Hedi's first collections were beautiful, with much more personalities and details, i think it goes more commercial now (but still nice!) probably because of a request of LVMH, i heard dior homme is not selling so well, that s maybe the point, his style is great and everyone wants to buy his collection but it's f*cking expensive..(fortunatly we have the soldes presses here!). i don't think hedi will do womenswear and it's a pity! but they also play with that point doing really small sizes so the girls can also wear this collection!

 

[Mr-Dale]

I think both John and Hedi are great at Dior and they should stay where they are. Of what I see in the world of fashion, Hedi is still getting the most cheers and yays for menswear, but John is gaining and gaining applause as well. He is yet to top Hedi, though, in the fight for biggest menswear cheer.

 

[JamieCD]

Thatd be fun if they "were" bf lol.. that couldnt be true!!!:-P

 

[ShesElectric]

With regards to why the two aren't sold in the same stores (for the most part), I just think it's good business sense. You can't have two seperate lines with two seperate looks (apparently) targeting two seperate demographics in the same store. The Dior woman does not have the same style as the Dior man, she has different interests, be it in color, textiles etc. Each have built their own following with specific preferences. To have a man walk into a Dior women's boutique and have to walk through all of the ruffles, chiffons, colours to get to the basement where we have the straight up Dior Homme would be quite silly and can potentially turn a consumer off. Apparently, this is the case some places - not good.

To prove a point, I'll use the mass market as an example. It would be like the Hollister/American Eagle flip-flops-and-beach-shorts-girl having to walk through Zara to get to her part of the store. I wouldn't do it. Two very different stores with two very different consumer base's.

...IMO.

 

[Crakk]

Oh, wow. I have asked this time and time again, will be back to read thread at a later date.