Slimane and Galliano

[ms-nietzsche]

They're completely different in my opinion. I don't even really associate the two.
I will say this: I think Galliano and Slimane would be better off elsewhere, preferably with their own lines. No matter how much I love Galliano, I'm kind of disappointed with his work for Dior. His work for his own line is much better, so his potential is ther, but something is holding him back at Dior.

 

[Yimi]

I have always had the feeling that
the spirit of
Dior Homme and Dior Woman
are so far and different...
Galliano has an fairy and dramatic sense
that converts every fashion fantasy into exquisite pieces
and Heidi
just knows cut black and tight jackets...

 

[belletrist]

Another vision: Hedi is a master of style who did a small revolution in the menswear worlds, and who has many followers and a huge influence on some other designers.
Galliano is a crazy excentric man who paint model's faces just like a suburban activist would do, who does monogrammed bags/t-shirts/etc, who is a master in the "the more the better" (the more make up, the more logos, the more colors, the more gloves/shoes/hats) etc.

 

[ilaughead]

^Good way to put it, belletrist!

 

[tricotineacetat]

i think one should accept that there is a diversity of tastes and point of views for everyone to find his niche... regardless of one's personal preferences.

some people find beauty in something created out of wild fantasy and imagination, with almost a storytelling aspect and reference to it, whereas others find in continuity, in the pragmatic or the repetition and variation of one aesthetic.

ask yourself what you are looking for in fashion, but in any case, i's a deeply personal preference.

 

[dior_couture1245]

i think one should accept that there is a diversity of tastes and point of views for everyone to find his niche... regardless of one's personal preferences.

some people find beauty in something created out of wild fantasy and imagination, with almost a storytelling aspect and reference to it, whereas others find in continuity, in the pragmatic or the repetition and variation of one aesthetic.

ask yourself what you are looking for in fashion, but in any case, i's a deeply personal preference.

I agree. The opinions are always split when it comes to Galliano, and even Slimane.

I've found that you either WORSHIP Galliano and the imagination, color, life, humor and the beauty of his designs (the camp I find myself in) or you find him to be the most distasteful designer working today who has destroyed the house of Dior.

And you either think that Slimane has revolutionized menswear or that all he did was jack up the prices of stuff you can find at Urban Outfitters, Diesel or FCUK (for the most part...) and basically transfered the already established hipster style onto the runway instead of doing anything really new (the camp I find myself in).

I don't think there is any use arguing over which designer is better because people already have their minds made up on their stance on Galliano/ Slimane.



As far as the relationship between the two...I doubt there is even a relationship at all.

 

[ms-nietzsche]

^i don't think it needs to be that extreme
i don't worship galliano's dior stuff, but i don't think he destroyed dior either
slimane didn't revolutionalize menswear, and he isn't urban outfitters. his stuff is just very me, and i like it.

tricotineacetat is absolutely right. it's all about personal preferences. but because galliano and slimane both were placed under the big lofty title of dior (or, previously were), i can understand that their work would inevitably be compared by some. it makes sense to have womenswear and menswear of one house at least somewhat similar, though, less confusion for the masses...

 

[Yimi]

I just know that
Dior with Galliano has a big success...

 

[Diorling]

Dior w/ Slimane has had big success...Especially for a menswear brand.

 

[Miss Galliano]

well some folks are so wrong.. Galliano is much better than HEdi at Dior Femme and Hedi is much better than Galliano Dior Homme but John makes beautifull clothes for women and hedi for men .. that is the only reason why i buy dior homme...but if I was a G i would buy Dior femme

 

[tricotineacetat]

I just know that
Dior with Galliano has a big success...

Yes, but you cannot compare the success of one of the world's most established womenswear designer collections that had been in existance for many years (that is fully-articulated with not only ready-to-wear and leathergoods but also cosmetics, inexpensive costume jewellry licenses, perfume etc.) to a niche-marketed menswear collection that did not exist 6 years ago. I also don't think that there are as many devoted men's fashion consumers in existance as there are women that buy into luxury goods from time to time (even if it was just a designer wallet).

 

[Cindus]

Well, Hedi DOES actually make womenswear, there's always a couple of styles made for women in the Dior Homme collections.

And regarding the relationship between Galliano and Slimane, i heard that Hedi wanted to leave Dior, because of the big difference in the two lines.. Anybody else heard about that? And that Raf Simons is to be the new Dior Homme designer from F/W 08?

 

[5-Hour man]

Well, Hedi DOES actually make womenswear, there's always a couple of styles made for women in the Dior Homme collections.

And regarding the relationship between Galliano and Slimane, i heard that Hedi wanted to leave Dior, because of the big difference in the two lines.. Anybody else heard about that? And that Raf Simons is to be the new Dior Homme designer from F/W 08?

Kriss van Assche is going to be the new designer, unless that has been changed very recently. He has already signed with LVMH.

Regarding the reason for Slimane's departure I think it was because of LVMH's reluctance to give him a woman's wear line, dispute about his signature line etc. But now that he has signed with PPR that doesn't really matter - I just look forward to see his new work. Hopefully it'll be more interesting that the two last years of Dior Homme.

 

[5-Hour man]

Kriss van Assche is going to be the new designer, unless that has been changed very recently. He has already signed with LVMH.

Regarding the reason for Slimane's departure I think it was because of LVMH's reluctance to give him a woman's wear line, dispute about his signature line etc. But now that he has signed with PPR that doesn't really matter - I just look forward to see his new work. Hopefully it'll be more interesting that the two last years of Dior Homme.

It came to my mind that Hedi hasn't actually signed yet. But the rumor says he will. It'll be pretty interesting!

 

[matsudaseiko]

wake up & smell the.........budget?!

men's wear are usually styled using the trend for women's wear of the previous season, for many reasons but most likely to utilize resource in a better way i think. that is in case u havn't notice yet.
so in a way they do compliments on each other only with a tiny delay, hehehehhe......

sometimes i wish that the dior femme and homme collections complimented each other in some way, each season... like, for s/s 2004 the theme at dior femme by galliano was gatsby...1920's, marlene dietrich... i think it would've been nice for the s/s 2004 menswear to complement this by being more 1920's gentlemen themed..with akind of gatsbyish vibe... etc etc... i just wish there was some kind of connection between the both of them as if to say dior homme was for the husband and dior femme for his wife but everything is so bipolar and chaotic at the house right now. i'm pretty sure it would be the way i'd like it to be if galliano were in charge of both mens and womenswear, but he isn't. anyone know why? would it just be too much for him to handle or was this just the decision of the dior execs?

 

[Yimi]

Good bye Mr. Slimane

Yes, but you cannot compare the success of one of the world's most established womenswear designer collections that had been in existance for many years (that is fully-articulated with not only ready-to-wear and leathergoods but also cosmetics, inexpensive costume jewellry licenses, perfume etc.) to a niche-marketed menswear collection that did not exist 6 years ago. I also don't think that there are as many devoted men's fashion consumers in existance as there are women that buy into luxury goods from time to time (even if it was just a designer wallet).

Galliano Hommes Collection came out and
made grey boys look better,
and It just is about his fifht or sixth season...
Making amazing shows,
giving success to the business, cool and real pieces to men and
turning new techniques, fabrics and clothes trataments into menswear
I think
Slimane is out of Dior
because he couldnt give anything more to the house...

As a fan of fashion
I felt crazy when Slimane came and show
his exquisite good cutted blazers...
but there was nothing more...

 

[Miss Galliano]

just love dior .. oh yes i do

 

[tricotineacetat]

Galliano Hommes Collection came out and
made grey boys look better,
and It just is about his fifht or sixth season...
Making amazing shows,
giving success to the business, cool and real pieces to men and
turning new techniques, fabrics and clothes trataments into menswear
I think
Slimane is out of Dior
because he couldnt give anything more to the house...

As a fan of fashion
I felt crazy when Slimane came and show
his exquisite good cutted blazers...
but there was nothing more...

I think the concept behind 'exquisite, well-cut blazers' are basically that they are of timeless beauty, that they are still as good when they came out and still are to this point, where he has nailed them down many, many times a season.

I think to argue why Slimane is not working with Dior anymore is equally as senseless as to discuss why Jil Sander and Helmut Lang are not designing for their signature labels.

Menswear is a hard business to compete in, and especially on the runway, you'll hardly see what they are indeed going to sell - For Galliano, it's basically (gazette) printed t-shirts, embellished sweatshirts and underwear, which of course, is not much different from what happened later on with Dior Homme... It's just the fact that very few people are actually buying into that 'innovative' part, let alone that retailers are willing to represent this part of the collection, knowing that people are not going to buy it.

 

[Miss Galliano]

I 'll like to watch the this meanswear... or even buy some of these clothes as well

 

[AGiles]

i think this was really an invention of slimane he would have liked to take the whole dior brand but with him getting the smaller half he asked for true creative control of the brand image making it almost a rival of what John was doing.