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Christian Dior HC F/W 04.05 Paris

Originally posted by Acid+Jul 6th, 2004 - 3:14 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Acid @ Jul 6th, 2004 - 3:14 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by Mr-Dale@Jul 6th, 2004 - 8:12 pm
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@Jul 6th, 2004 - 10:10 pm
Hello last collection with the scarab beatles, so unwearable. I really like this influence, VW or not.
sure, the jewel-encrusted scarab breastplates and humongo gigantic scarab chandelier earrings were unwearable.....but the clothing was gorgeous

Hello...it's couture...how many people on here actually buy it? I'm gonna go out on the limb and say nobody, so why are so many people concentrating on its wearability? Let the couture customers worry about that :ermm:

Thank you!!!!!! :flower: :flower:
ok fine.........so far we've discovered

- the couture at dior DOES apparently make profit

- customers can decide exactly how their dress will look when finished

- the publicity from the couture show boosts the RTW and accesories sales


but i still think the clothes are ugly :sick: sorry [/b][/quote]
Thank you.

That is one of the most honest and logical posts yet.

A lot of you are trashing John and discrediting him when really it is just that you don't like his clothes. If you think his work is ugly I think that is totally reasonable but please don't try to attack his legitamacy.
 
I have to agree that this collection is vulgar and that there is nothing new in it.

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Ruffled gowns of 1708

The Marquise de Pompadour by François Boucher, 1756

:doh:
 
Originally posted by datura001@Jul 6th, 2004 - 4:17 pm
Yeah but VW stole those references too, didn't she? It just may be a British thing, Brit designers making sure of their history and their traditions represented by costume, clothing, and technique.

I think you hit the nail on the head.
 
Well, this thread has balooned up!

I dunno, all of the criticism of John's work isn't really of the actual work but of the presentation. The people who call John's work drag are not seeing past the lavish productions, crazy styling, and distracting make up. Take a look at john's work out of this context and you won't be able to make the drag connections. You just won't.

Anyways, to each his own.
 
"It is something incredibly refined mixed with something savage."

--John Galliano


Artist, businessman and icon, John Galliano delivers another outstanding presentation for the house of Dior. datura001, thanks for an extremely well thought out post. Whether through an entire look or a single color, Galliano's work is visionary and awe-inspiring. This collection is a nod to many things and a dream to his clients and fans.
 
Originally posted by Mutterlein+Jul 6th, 2004 - 6:55 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mutterlein @ Jul 6th, 2004 - 6:55 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-datura001@Jul 6th, 2004 - 4:17 pm
Yeah but VW stole those references too, didn't she? It just may be a British thing, Brit designers making sure of their history and their traditions represented by costume, clothing, and technique.

I think you hit the nail on the head. [/b][/quote]
stole them from what designer...?... the presentation was completely original at the time...

... i love the concept...remember...i'm a HUGE westood fan...and the whole refined/savage idea which she pioneered...so i very much appreciate john's love for it...i feel it as well... :heart:

but it's too similar...it's too close to the original...
it's good...but it's still a rip-off... :lol:

IMO... :innocent:
 
Originally posted by Mutterlein@Jul 6th, 2004 - 6:02 pm
I dunno, all of the criticism of John's work isn't really of the actual work but of the presentation. The people who call John's work drag are not seeing past the lavish productions, crazy styling, and distracting make up. Take a look at john's work out of this context and you won't be able to make the drag connections. You just won't.
very well said :flower:
and i completely agree.
 
and he's obviously channeling vivienne westwood...look at the menswear collection...and the whole pirate theme....come on....it's very very obvious... :P :lol:

:flower:
 
Originally posted by Mr-Dale@Jul 6th, 2004 - 10:58 am
:D :D :D I LOVE it....the waiting has paid of!

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um...may i remind you of this...creation?!?!.... :lol:

forget the styling ...make up...etc...

how could this be anything BUT drag queen?!?!.... :P :lol:
 
:rolleyes:

those two pics above are of two different dresses, btw :P

put a white bustier (instead of the ridiculous nude one) under the second one (with the veil) and i think it could work...
 
Originally posted by brian+Jul 6th, 2004 - 4:11 pm--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (brian @ Jul 6th, 2004 - 4:11 pm)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-ebowleg@Jul 6th, 2004 - 2:10 pm
Hello...it's couture...how many people on here actually buy it? I'm gonna go out on the limb and say nobody, so why are so many people concentrating on its wearability? Let the couture customers worry about that :ermm:
completely agreed :flower:
...and how many of you people who keep b*tching are actually couture clients, anyhow? :ninja:

:innocent: [/b][/quote]
I've read through this entire topic, and those are two great points!

At the end of the day, the show is a true spectacle, Galliano creates drama and glamour, and can you imagine being in the front row? The atmosphere and the clothing would surely induce a sensory overload.

:flower:
 
Originally posted by Atelier@Jul 6th, 2004 - 8:07 pm
"It is something incredibly refined mixed with something savage."

--John Galliano


Artist, businessman and icon, John Galliano delivers another outstanding presentation for the house of Dior. datura001, thanks for an extremely well thought out post. Whether through an entire look or a single color, Galliano's work is visionary and awe-inspiring. This collection is a nod to many things and a dream to his clients and fans.
:clap: :king:
 
Originally posted by brian@Jul 6th, 2004 - 7:33 pm
:rolleyes:

those two pics above are of two different dresses, btw :P

put a white bustier (instead of the ridiculous nude one) under the second one (with the veil) and i think it could work...
mhmmmm....i was referring to the FIRST one... ;)

how does that one work for ya??!?!?!1 :lol:
 
Originally posted by saturnine@Jul 6th, 2004 - 7:33 pm
can you imagine being in the front row? The atmosphere and the clothing would surely induce a sensory overload.

:flower:
yeah...and then the music would annoy the crap out of you...

great balls of fire?!?!?....hahahaha... :lol: :rofl:
 
maybe galliano really wants to design for barbie...pretty dresses for dolls... :P :lol:
 
Dior: Fantastic folie de grandeur

by Suze Menkes, IHT

PARIS - For a right royal couture extravaganza, John Galliano takes the crown. And so did his models as they teetered out on pedestals of shoes at Tuesday's Dior show. Coronets, diadems and tiaras were tangled in a fuzz of hair as bosoms thrust forward in fleshy drapes. Dresses spreading from a corseted torso carried majestic emblems from the stars of the Austrian Empress Sissie to the feathers of the Peacock Throne.

The stunned celebrity crowd gasped single words backstage.

"Amazing! " said Riley Keough, who has launched a rock disk to follow her grandfather, Elvis Presley.

"Incredible!" said Elizabeth Hurley, clutching at beau Arun Nayar.

"Unbelievable! I want to be one of those girls," sighed starlet Katie Holmes, part of a Hollywood contingent that included Val Kilmer and Diane Kruger.

Ivana Trump cried "fantastic!" while Melania Knauss, the future Mrs. Donald Trump, shopping for a couture bridal gown, said of the lapping white waves of Dior's wedding dress: "It's going to be hard to top this one." Galliano's entire show will be hard to top. But then, we say that each season as he sends out another incredible costume party as an ode to haute couture. This fantastical folie de grandeur was as spectacular as they come, from the crowns and orbs created by British milliner Stephen Jones at his most creative, through the Gustav Klimt silhouettes, to the haute platform shoes. Here's how hard the hobble dresses and platform sandals were to manipulate: three body guards were needed to steer the helpless creatures down the steps at the end of the runway - after removing such trip-up clothes as sweeping sable trimmed coats and swishes of taffeta.

As a defiant 'Here I stand!', Galliano is the King Canute of couture. The detail and craftsmanship of the embellishment made these clothes instant museum pieces. This romantic visit to a turn-of-the century Europe of doomed royal families was the first "history" couture show the designer has done since he sent Belle Epoque dresses (peacock embroideries included) around the Bagatelle gardens seven years ago. Even then, the clothes were hard to take as a fashion statement. This season's mermaid silhouettes seemed impossible to adapt for the real world - except by abstracting the gorgeous cherub and rose patterns or controlling the great loops of fur trim.

Galliano's couture hand is surer now that he has got the ateliers working so beautifully with him. Yet his spirit is not so fresh. The designer said that he had been through Central Europe- Austria, Hungary, Turkey - to do deep research. The historical breadth was astounding, as the ateliers re-created Sissie as a Franz Xaver Winterhalter portrait or replicated, jeweled Prince of Wales feathers.

Yet one yearned for the effervescent, madcap magic of the menswear show on a pirate theme that Galliano sent out in Paris last weekend, rather than this florid poem to haute couture.
 
i loved that article...thx for posting it brian... :heart: :flower:

suzy has my repsect...
 
Hmmm...I was thinking...people are wanting Galliano to be true to the house of Dior, BUT isn't it true that Dior has a long history of stealing other people's ideas. The New Look was really more evo-lution than revo-lution - it was a brilliant re-hash of the belle epoch. Also it is arguable that Christian Berard was the real architect of the New Look. So you could say that Galliano is just continuing a long tradition of stealing other peoples' ideas... :innocent: :ninja:
 
WOW!!!!!! I went to bed at 2am (Singapore time) and the topic was only at page 2... and now it's up to page 12!!!!!!!!!!!! So who said fashion people don't work hard!!!!!!!!!!!!! B)

I love the collection... and i dun think i'm much of a Galliano fan... i hate some of his work and the other surprises me...

I think this guy is definitely talented... but keep in mind that "talented" and "original" are two different things...

I think it's unfair to hit on Galliano on the VW references... Everyone is insipred by something... it depends on who much changes one makes to make it 'original'... in this case, Yes... he MAY be inspired by VW but how much can he change to make it original and yet retain the English Royale flavour??? Nothing much... and thus some of the pieces bears uncanny resemblences to VW...

As for couture being unwearable... thing is... We can't even be sure some of his Pret-a-porter stuff is wearabler... let alone couture!!!! So personally... i bring the same arttitude towards couture as i do to paintings... Scrutinize the creation... discover the techniques and be sucked into the world the artiste (in this case, the designer) want us to be surrounded with...

So to me, Galliano is like Salvadore Dali meets Lewis Carroll... Bringing us into a madcap world and trying to convince us of it's beauty... sometimes we agree... and sometimes we can't wait to get out!!!!!!

Just my 2 cents worth... ;)
 

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