Model Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[dsamg]

The point I'm trying to make is that Julia's clientele are really not that diverse. She's not even that hypersuccessful to be used as an example of 'oh look, you can book tons of Vogues and have zero followers!' In most cases you'll find that it's either a Simons/Vanderperre/Meisel/Mcdean or Jackson gig that she books. That, for instance, cannot be leveraged against Arixona Muse, who worked with a vast and often random selection of people and editions.

Followers are a commodity as we speak. And weeping and wailing all over the place won't end it. Change will once again come from the inside. Hana's move was great and ballsy, but how many others will follow suit? I'm not for it at all, it's just that I rationalise that it's clearly an awful means to an equally awful end for most girls. And anyway, there were loads of other disgusting movements in modelling before this crass commercialism/popularity contest (p*rno and heroin chic with eerily young-looking girls taking the lead etc).

You may dislike Julia but you cannot say she is not hypersucessful. She has plenty of work outside the photographers you mentioned (off the top of my head - Givenchy, Marc Jacobs, Tiffany & Co, Lanvin, Diesel Black Gold, Louis Vuitton Spirit of Travel, Bottega Veneta fragrance, Zara, Boss, Paul Smith, Celine, Proenza, Saint Laurent, Vogue Germany, US Elle, W, Dazed, Vogue Paris, Interview, Voguye Japan, UK Vogue, Love etc etc). And that is just from memory and the work that she has that wasn't done by Meisel/Vanderperre/McDean/Simons/Jackson. No working model at the moment has a portfolio like her. You can't get much more hypersuccessful than literally beating every model out for campaigns year after year.

 

[billiejbob]

For models like Julia it doesn't matter if you're on instagram or not or how many followers you have. A lot of top HF models have a couple of thousand to hundreds of thousands of followers but they're never really promoting a brand or product. Sure models post photos of the campaigns they're in or the designer events they're at but they're never promoting a specific item of clothing or product. Plus, people that want to buy these items of clothing aren't buying them because they saw a HF model wearing it. They're buying it because they're rich and can afford to.

 

[dsamg]

Mocking immigrants is fun after all. If you're mocking Trump's wife

Gigi Hadid is just the latest to show that it's not the principle that counts with the Left but the side.

She mocks the accent of Trump's foreign wife at the American Music Awards.

Co-hosts Gigi Hadid and Jay Pharoah got things started right away with not-so-great impressions of Melania and Donald Trump.

"I love my husband, President Barack Obama and our children Sasha and Malia," Hadid said through pouted lips and a fake accent, mocking Melania's RNC speech that lifted material from a speech given by Michelle Obama.

The model added she'd been working on her impression all week and tried to "get her face right."

Stay classy.

theheraldsun.com.au

 

[dodencebt]

^ Such a biased "article". I am tired of people slamming Gigi for things that aren't even controversial. SNL has been spoofing Melania for months now and no one voiced outrage when Laura Benanti impersonated her several times on 'The Late Show With Stephen Colbert'. It's satire and it should be perfectly acceptable in a democratic society, no matter who is doing it.

 

[sixtdaily]

^True, but here it's coming from Gigi, who has been pretty vocal over the past year about being bullied online for her appearance... "Don't do to others what you don't want done to you"... just saying.

 

[anlabe32]

... those girls with so few ones should buy those followers packs and be done

Valery Kaufman does this... and she can't be the only one.

I agree. Julia is from a generation where followers didn't matter. She made those connections back then and she's now still leaning on them.

 

[eizhowa]

Surely Melania is being mocked for her behaviour and attitude, not her apperance. It is not like she was born with that pouting look on her face, that is something Melania does. I think that is very different from the critisicm Gigi recieved.

 

[dauphine]

I read that Gigi is getting graphic threats now online from Trump supporters. Sad race to the bottom this year for politics.

 

[sixtdaily]

Surely Melania is being mocked for her behaviour and attitude, not her apperance. It is not like she was born with that pouting look on her face, that is something Melania does. I think that is very different from the critisicm Gigi recieved.

Whether her pout is her natural look or something she does on purpose, that's the way she looks. My point was that it's a bit hypocritical from Gigi to be so vocal about the bullying she suffers from and then mock someone's accent and appearance herself. Even when the "someone" is the trophy wife of a bully. Best not to lower yourself to the level of Trump.

 

[Benn98]

Valery Kaufman does this... and she can't be the only one.

I agree. Julia is from a generation where followers didn't matter. She made those connections back then and she's now still leaning on them.

Valery Kaufmann bribes her followers??? Omg, that happened quick. She seems like such a nice girl. I knew somewhere there'd be a loophole with all these high count followers though.

 

[kokobombon]

^you can buy "follower packs" in IG, Twitter and Facebook for some time. 100 for $xx, 1000 for $xx and so on...

 

[dsamg]

Whether her pout is her natural look or something she does on purpose, that's the way she looks. My point was that it's a bit hypocritical from Gigi to be so vocal about the bullying she suffers from and then mock someone's accent and appearance herself.

Exactly. You could say the same about Gigi's measurements or her walk (the things that she was bullied most for). It is not like she cannot change those things.

 

[Cute]

Political satire has ALWAYS been a thing.. it just so happens that this year was a very controversial election year. Gigi did that as a joke (IMO), and she even said that people should give Trump a chance as president, which she also got backlash for.

 

[eizhowa]

Whether her pout is her natural look or something she does on purpose, that's the way she looks. My point was that it's a bit hypocritical from Gigi to be so vocal about the bullying she suffers from and then mock someone's accent and appearance herself. Even when the "someone" is the trophy wife of a bully. Best not to lower yourself to the level of Trump.

So basically, Gigi must never do impersonations again. Or she is a hypocrite.

If I reverse the argument, does that mean that every impersonator should allow people critisize the way he/she looks?

I guess we are fortunate that most comedians are men and are less likely to have their apperance critizised in the first place.

 

[billiejbob]

Political satire has ALWAYS been a thing.. it just so happens that this year was a very controversial election year. Gigi did that as a joke (IMO), and she even said that people should give Trump a chance as president, which she also got backlash for.

This is definitely true. What she did was a joke similar to how SNL does satires of Trump etc. The main difference here is that the SNL satires are done by comedians in the context of political satire and they actually know how to do humourous impersonations.

Gigi's impersonation was so weird and out of context with the whole AMAs and it kind of fell flat. I think that's why people are getting annoyed by it...the fact that it just wasn't funny at all. She just couldn't pull it off to make it funny.

 

[modellove]

She was mocking Melania because she stole Michelle Obamas speech. It was a huge controversy when it happened, she literally copied it word for word. Everyone who watched the election knows this. I don't think it was meant to be one of those malicious "Dont speak with an accent when you live in the US" kind of thing. She impersonated Melania, who has an accent, but she wasn't making fun of her because of her accent.

And as for the face...well she's obviously has tons of work done and looks like the classic trophy wife who's husband paid for it. I think she was trying to get that "tight face" that Melania has. Impersonation like this is satire, SNL does it to Donald all the time.

 

[Benn98]

So basically, Gigi must never do impersonations again. Or she is a hypocrite.

If I reverse the argument, does that mean that every impersonator should allow people critisize the way he/she looks?

I guess we are fortunate that most comedians are men and are less likely to have their apperance critizised in the first place.

In theory, yes and yes. You don't get to complain about bullying (or people mocking you), then turn around to mock another. The same would apply to any SNL comedian who'd whinge about people mocking them. The moment you mock someone else, you're fair game.

@Modellove: Sorry, but if Gigi made the joke without Melania's accent, it would not have been funny at all, would it? So her accent amplified the joke.

 

[eizhowa]

In theory, yes and yes. You don't get to complain about bullying (or people mocking you), then turn around to mock another. The same would apply to any SNL comedian who'd whinge about people mocking them. The moment you mock someone else, you're fair game.

@Modellove: Sorry, but if Gigi made the joke without Melania's accent, it would not have been funny at all, would it? So her accent amplified the joke.

I was actually trying to point out that there is a difference between mocking someone in a (political) sketch and telling someone they are not qualified to do their job because of the way they look.

Impersonaters have to deal with being impersonated. Telling an impersonater he/she is not fit for the job because of his/her looks is crossing the line.

And in my personal opinion, the fact that Gigi was young when she was critizised made it all worse.

 

[Deleted member 130879]

I can understand this argument 100%. People are now fair game to mock her walk and say "hey, it's satire".

She is NOT curvy and looks perfectly normal and "model standard" so the whole m******* thing is nonsense. But her walk, yes, that's funny. Oh and every time she tries to be the next Coco Rocha with all the open mouth, big smile, little jumps, whatever the hell she is doing right now. Tiresome.

But hey, "I'll publish, right or wrong: Fools are my theme, let satire be my song.", right?

 

[modellove]

In theory, yes and yes. You don't get to complain about bullying (or people mocking you), then turn around to mock another. The same would apply to any SNL comedian who'd whinge about people mocking them. The moment you mock someone else, you're fair game.

@Modellove: Sorry, but if Gigi made the joke without Melania's accent, it would not have been funny at all, would it? So her accent amplified the joke.

The reason why it wouldn't be funny is because no one would know who she's talking about. There's a difference between trying to actually get someone's accent right, and someone trying to over exaggerate it in an offensive matter. She tried to mimick her as perfectly as possible rather than make a cartoon of her.