Model Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

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  1. KINGofVERSAILLES

    KINGofVERSAILLES Utterly-Unknown Member

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    Perhaps I'm missing something, I admit I haven't looked into it thoroughly, but pardoning Charles Kushner is probably one of the most least significant and least damaging things Tr*mp has done in the past... long while. Demanding that the son of a man Tr*mp pardoned speak on the subject, in my opinion, speaks more to people's desire for messy drama than anything else. Joshua Kushner's opinion on his father being pardoned has no bearing on... anything?

    16/17 years ago Charles Kushner was under investigation for illegal donations to political candidates/causes, and I guess his sister/brother-in-law were helping in the investigation so he hired an escort to sleep with his brother-in-law as retaliation, I believe? Clearly this family is messy as hell, but he was convicted, sentenced to a couple of years in prison, and has been a free man since serving his sentence. This pardon seems more symbolic than anything else. Presidents pardon actual criminals all the time, for various reasons, I'm guessing because they think the person was over-punished or has turned over a new leaf or, realistically, because that person knows someone who knows someone. President Obama pardoned around 2,000 people as president. Do you think each and every one of those was a wonderful, innocent individual? And that's not a criticism of Obama. That's the president's power! Unless the power is being used to put dangerous violent people back into society or withhold punishment from privileged people who deserve punishment (which Tr*mp has absolutely done with some of his pardons), I don't see an issue. In the case of Charles Kushner, he already served his time in prison, paid a hefty fine, and was disbarred in 3 states. This pardon was basically purely symbolic, in my opinion, and would not even be remotely controversial on its own, it's only the nepotism angle that puts it in salacious light.
     
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  2. velvetandsilk

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    Due to religion. Ivanka and Karlie had to convert to Judaism. Sometimes orthodox community is very sceptical to converter.
    Christy has good reputation. She graduated from college and has own foundation which help mothers. For someone she is not typical model, something more. In normal world it is nothing unique but a lot models have complexs about eduaction/ stereotypical view that they are foolish. Karlie told everywhere about going to study, her codeing camp and she acted image that doing something more than modeling.
     
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  3. MulletProof

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    ^ yeah, more or less. Christy didn't conform with one of the most successful modeling careers ever and went on to expand it into academic/philanthropic territory... with a wellness touch, becoming way more than just a fashion personality and earning a respectable place among some of the most powerful people through the organizations she works for. I don't know the exact year Karlie hired her PR firm and the manager of Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift no less lol (2012 maybe?), but it's very clear the strategies to aggressively exploit her moderate success until then (compared to top models of those years [2008-2011] like Lara Stone- I won't even compare her to any of the Supermodels' achievements) were modeled after that and continually yelled in every media outlet. Anyone recalls "the Karlie"? as if it was 1992 and Linda's hair. :lol:

    Now I don't mind people being naturally curious, drawn to science and not satisfied with just a modeling career (who would..) but do it substantially, actually take your time to renounce attention, go to school and engage in the rigorous training it needs, not just courses here and there along with private coaching to speak like Oprah for your youtube channel. It all just seems very superficial and exclusively power-driven, like a 10-year multimillion dollar effort to clear areas and launch a proper First Lady in 2033.

    Back to the family, I certainly don't think her husband is completely harmless, he runs a healthcare insurance company in a country completely f*cked up by pharma and health care lobbying and comes from a family where most relatives have shown that moral compass is not a family priority. But I still don't think that Karlie 'needs' to do more to define where she stands politically and socially. I actually think there's something problematic in that demand, in thinking that if you don't broadcast your sociopolitical beliefs somewhere and to the standard established by our attention-starved social media culture, you're therefore complicit with silence and part of the problem. It is very American, a very 'with us or against us' bipartisan mentality and I don't think it's healthy if you expect a society to understand each other and overcome the lack of trust that makes people run for the hills and dig up bs theories up there. I actually think that expectation is a fundamental part of the problem, not the high-profile subjects we project our hopes on..
     
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  4. theBlueRider

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    Did Karlie ever go to college?

    Sara Ziff, Joan Smalls, Carmen Kass and Nimue Smit/Mirte Maas (One of them, I get them confused), Adesuwa, one of the Chinese models that Steven Meisel likes (I forgot her name) and Ava Smith are just some of the few who finished college and aren't as well known to the general public. Sara Ziff is making waves with her work. I don't think a lot of them are "relevant" in the eyes of fashion anymore besides Adesuwa. But good for them for not using their degrees as some sort of badge of publicity and honor is what you're saying?
     
  5. THD96

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    One of the model that I like is Julia Nobis who is studying to become a surgeon but did not use it's as a marketing tool for her career, in fact I don't think she have social media ( at least a public one) and she planning on retiring from modeling. Nothing but respect for her.
     
  6. avonlea002

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    Homegirl has been retiring for the past 10 years.
     
  7. avonlea002

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    I am one of those people who don't care about political views of celebrities. Even if Karlie liked Ivanka, there is nothing wrong with that. Nowadays every popular person is expected to be an activist and share beliefs/opinions that fit the "right" narrative dictated by the twitter crowd. If I were her I wouldnt even bother to read these comments, let alone respond to them.
     
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  8. MulletProof

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    not really, not the use or lack of use but the type of publicity surrounding a rather common pursuit. I don't think it's something anyone's ever strictly private about (and there shouldn't be a reason for that) and most models certainly publicize one or another that they're now in school (especially if it's a renowned institution). I'm just doubtful of the PR machinery behind the studious image when... you're not even that studious or studious at all, so it seems more like you're after the rewards instead of the process, and what are these rewards without the process? certainly not knowledge, it's status.
     
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  9. Ivancica

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    Models with Higher Education
     
  10. axiomatic

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    Happy to be reminded of this again

     
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    Yes in Australia we can either go straight to a 6 year medicine degree from high school or do 3 years undergrad then 4 years post-grad. I believe Julia finished her undergrad science degree but did not get into post-grad med immediately a couple years ago when she 'retired' so went on a volunteering trip instead.

    It sounds from this interview as if she is not really planning ever to try again and just wants to keep modelling actually. Otherwise why prioritise getting a US green card over going back home for med school after she just bought a place in Sydney in 2018?
    Julia Nobis on Modeling and Studying to be a Doctor
     
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    I mean, I think in this instance perhaps Michelle is projecting a bit of her insecurities onto the situation. Raquel is considered one of the sweetest and most professional models out there and Karolina isn't even Brazilian and doesn't speak Portuguese hahah sooo....
     
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    How do you know that?
     
  14. fashionista-ta

    fashionista-ta Well-Known Member

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    :rofl: This deserves to be celebrated as understatement of the year :rofl:

    Wrt the Kushner pardon, I think it's primarily the final flash of Jared Kushner's political power. It takes a special person to feel validated by, or find any relevance whatsoever in, a pardon from this president when the sentence for the crime has already been served years ago. Look forward to seeing how this 'honor' will age.
     
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  15. MulletProof

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    ^ hey I refuse to throw the little cousins and nieces under the bus! :lol:.. they might skip foundation via family and pick up values at Le Rosey for 11k a month.
     
  16. tipi1355

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    I personally believe that when you choose to publicly position yourself in a certain light and are outspoken about specific aspects of politics as Karlie is, the public then has every right to question the pieces of your life that appear hypocritical to the messages you choose to spread. People expect more of her because of the image she created for herself. And that image is often contradictory to the actual life she lives. She’d have to be extremely naive or simply dumb to think people wouldn’t take issue with this.
     
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    https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/co...ovid-19-isolation-order-breach-ng-b881774113z
    Pretty bad behaviour. All other Australians have been stuck with a $3000 hotel quarantine bill they can barely afford for 14 days with no windows allowed, while the rich get exemptions to quarantine in nice houses and then can't even follow the rules. Not surprising at all from her.

    For those who aren't Australian, the reason there is a lot of backlash around this is because most Australians can't even return to the country due to very strict entry caps each day, and those who have come back have missed out on seeing relatives before they died during the 14-day quarantine period, so seeing celebrities get these exemptions and then not bother to follow process is very frustrating for most.
     
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    Isn't she involved with some Covid Hoaxer community with her best friend that makeup artist?
     
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  19. Benn98

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    ^I wouldn't be shocked if that's true. Don't want to stereotype, but why is it that all the eco/earth-loving models are embroiled in these conspiracy theories? Who's next, Goop? Most people already perceive the wellness/mindfulness market to be filled with snakeoil salesmen, and here they come with the delusional theories.

    The way Miranda is flaunting her privilege and entitlement is really more annoying than shameful for me. She was probably so shocked when she learned health officials called the police on her, lol. The hot girl, how dare they?

    Also, can we talk about that cringey, obviously facetuned Christmas pic where both of them look as though they've been in the Outback without any sunscreen?

    I believe there's a now a call for Australians not to celebrate Australia Day because it's disrespectful to the indigenous people of the country. The Urban List posted something on their social media about two days ago explaining why they won't celebrate it. Strange that we haven't seen anything from Vogue Australia, Charlee or Adut because they're normally very vocal about these issues. Not that I agree or disagree with it, that should be a matter for Australians to weigh in on.
     
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  20. theBlueRider

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    ^ ha! They say they are "earth loving" but actually do a lot of harm to the earth. If someone is capitalizing coconut products from monkey labor, palm oil products from deforestation, organic cotton contributing to droughts and deforestation, mica mining from child labor and other unsustainable "plant based" trends then they are no friend to the earth. Not to mention all the virgin plastic clothing and byproducts that made them iconic...
     

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