Model Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[dodencebt]

Oh my God, it gets worse by the day.

 

[Benn98]

Sometimes I'm glad I don't live on social media where people often post the very first thing that crosses their minds because as we've seen here, it can turn ugly and even hurt your career, your livelihood. I doubt whether Carissa actually orchestrated the entire thing by saying she's trans. It seems it's something which crossed her mind and she just went with it? What makes it troubling is the fact that she waited until getting exposed before owning up. Classic case of being sorry that she got caught, instead of sorry for lying and insulting an entire community.

The best she can do now is seek professional help!

 

[dsamg]

Sometimes I'm glad I don't live on social media where people often post the very first thing that crosses their minds because as we've seen here, it can turn ugly and even hurt your career, your livelihood. I doubt whether Carissa actually orchestrated the entire thing by saying she's trans. It seems it's something which crossed her mind and she just went with it? What makes it troubling is the fact that she waited until getting exposed before owning up. Classic case of being sorry that she got caught, instead of sorry for lying and insulting an entire community.

The best she can do now is seek professional help!

Totally agree. And refusing to interview with BuzzFeed until they paid her? The best thing she could have done is feel incredibly grateful that a major news outlet was willing to give her airtime for an apology, taken advantage of this by genuinely and sincerely apologising and laid off posting for a bit. Instead she chose to compare the situation to being trans, make it very clear that she is apologising for her own image and not because she cares, and ask for payment for it.

 

[Deleted member 143689]

Totally agree. And refusing to interview with BuzzFeed until they paid her? The best thing she could have done is feel incredibly grateful that a major news outlet was willing to give her airtime for an apology, taken advantage of this by genuinely and sincerely apologising and laid off posting for a bit. Instead she chose to compare the situation to being trans, make it very clear that she is apologising for her own image and not because she cares, and ask for payment for it.

I worked with her before on a editorial shoot I was an intern to a stylist on and she was the biggest diva. Add to it she referred to herself in the third person the entire time. She deserves the full wave of what happens to her, one of the most disrespectful people I’ve ever encountered on a job.

 

[Littleathquakes]

^ OMG please spill the tea!!

 

[tapenerd]

Right?!?!

 

[lucy92]

Did anyone notice this piece by Jessica Hart in HB Australia where she mentions she is resuming "courses" at the Landmark Forum?

The landmark forum strong-sells very expensive "personal development courses" and has been featured on 60 minutes. There are worries in the US that is a cult or has cult-like properties as these courses are so expensive they can be financially ruinous and people are pressured to take more and more of them.

 

[dsamg]

Did anyone notice this piece by Jessica Hart in HB Australia where she mentions she is resuming "courses" at the Landmark Forum?

The landmark forum strong-sells very expensive "personal development courses" and has been featured on 60 minutes. There are worries in the US that is a cult or has cult-like properties as these courses are so expensive they can be financially ruinous and people are pressured to take more and more of them.

She never seemed like the sharpest tool in the shed to me anyway..

 

[dsamg]

A bunch of VS Angels are arguing with commenters on modelallianceny's latest post if anyone has time to waste

 

[StoneSkipper]

A bunch of VS Angels are arguing with commenters on modelallianceny's latest post if anyone has time to waste

VS really wants to go out in a blaze of glory, don't they?

 

[Benn98]

I actually agree that social media shouldn't be your first recourse if you've been treated poorly, but the way Lais and Sara are speaking and their tone is just so entitled and aggressive when people are asking valid questions.

Also, love how the debate ended with Bellemere confronting Lais to specify what he did to her which was so inappropriate. I'm beginning to think the guy may well be innocent because it would just be ballsy and utterly macabre for an abuser to be that bold. But then, Carissa Pinkston lied about being trans after saying awful things about trans people, so human nature can be surprising.

 

[MulletProof]

because it would just be ballsy and utterly macabre for an abuser to be that bold.

No, not really, it's almost the norm. Same for that professional 'just learning now, such an unfortunate event, what's your name again?' tone. Ever ran into the average predator on the street? exposing or touching himself as he stares at you with a smirk only to immediately switch back to 'respectable man' mode as other people enter the scene, even going as far as to ask you for directions? probably not, men seem not to ever experience that and always seem skeptical that such a thing even happens.

I saw the exchanges and it doesn't seem to me that Sara was being aggressive, they have experience with a certain environment and are defending their point of view. It doesn't mean it represents what may have happened to everyone in that company (and this is probably the weakest part of their argument- that they don't fully acknowledge this possibility) but I think they're right in reminding people that modeling and casting agencies have come out of all of this so clean when they're the ones that gather all the information and experiences from different models, know what's going on and still continue to say nothing and send these girls to predators. It takes a model gambling her career for something to happen, when they could simply just work more ethically.

 

[Benn98]

No, not really, it's almost the norm. Same for that professional 'just learning now, such an unfortunate event, what's your name again?' tone. Ever ran into the average predator on the street? exposing or touching himself as he stares at you with a smirk only to immediately switch back to 'respectable man' mode as other people enter the scene, even going as far as to ask you for directions? probably not, men seem not to ever experience that and always seem skeptical that such a thing even happens.

I saw the exchanges and it doesn't seem to me that Sara was being aggressive, they have experience with a certain environment and are defending their point of view. It doesn't mean it represents what may have happened to everyone in that company (and this is probably the weakest part of their argument- that they don't fully acknowledge this possibility) but I think they're right in reminding people that modeling and casting agencies have come out of all of this so clean when they're the ones that gather all the information and experiences from different models, know what's going on and still continue to say nothing and send these girls to predators. It takes a model gambling her career for something to happen, when they could simply just work more ethically.

Ugh, that's disgusting! You have to remember that bastards like that are only ever that bold when nobody else is present to witness the entire scene.
A while back I went for an early morning run on either a Saturday or Sunday morning. A few feet ahead of me I could spot a girl reaching the crossroads and waiting for her turn to cross. Two blokes shortly passed behind her in the opposite direction, but suddenly one turned around, went to her left and started chatting while the other one seemed very much occupied on his cell. Just as I managed to reach them I heard him ask 'so, how are you doing?' Monosyllable response from her as she clenches her handbag and slightly distances herself from him (which I thought to be body language for 'not interested.') 'So where you off to then?' No response from her (she's clearly freshly dressed in a uniform of sorts, and it's just after 6 in the morning) After that, still panting and dripping in sweat, I just gave him a frowned look and he almost instantly left. I mean I doubt anything serious could have happened, it's a trendy hipster-ish neighbourhood with loads of pubs and nightlife closeby, so he was probably just a punter looking for a quick score.
Made light of the situation by saying to her 'your life, eh? What happens on days when you're just not in the mood for people?' She just laughed, then we crossed and went about our ways.
Maybe the skepticism comes from the idea that it's just something very difficult to rationalise. Because let's be frank, that's just not something which the average guy would experience or witness.

For me, what Sara and Lais engaged in seemed a perfect example of whataboutery paired with a heavy dose of tone-deaf 1% entitlement. The conversation is about VS implementing decent practices which can ultimately extend to agents and they say 'but what about the agents.' It's obviously way easier for MA to wage this battle by forcing VS to regulate their practices down to the bottom. Just like a blue-chip corporation will only deal with reputable recruitment agencies to secure their staff to the extent that they vet the hiring process, so should VS. I can't see what Sara and Lais saw in this that's 'SO UNFAIR!!.'
Also, I feel like you have this responsibility when you're privy to insider info, to keep your cool and navigate the conversation in a composed way. The poster who mostly engaged with them didn't pretend to know it all and even at times tried to reason with them. Forget about the trolls and model fans in the thread.

 

[anaa lpz]

Not the first time Sara gets a little too defensive on social media. And while I understand that they wanted to defend the hand that feeds them, it did feel quite childish. And also, the manifesto was not accusing VS, so they should have read it before typing.

However, even though I don't like Lais' response to the post, I absolutely hate how people are using Bellemere's response to defend him. And that isn't directed to anyone in this forum, I'm actually talking about another one where I read the most disgusting comments about this. Some people just love to find excuses to defend the abuser and never believe the victim. And he knew damn well why he was fired. He actually posted a picture of Taylor Hill and mentioned that because of her and Ed's lies, he lost the job. And, if Lais is lying, he can sue her, right?


Also, Gigi posted this:



And she's being roasted in the comments. I actually like Gigi, but that was such a silly thing to say.

 

[Benn98]

And she's being roasted in the comments. I actually like Gigi, but that was such a silly thing to say.

Love how emotional the Greek can get over their country, lol. Gigi should watch her mouth though. America is not exactly the safest country right now.

 

[xoxoadore]

Rather get stolen that risk dying in a gun shooting, Gigi ..she sounds ridiculously spoiled and stupid

 

[MulletProof]

Reviewing a place like it's a nightclub will unfortunately happen when it becomes touristy in that 'see-and-be-seen' kind of way. I do feel for the Greeks because nobody wants these tourists (especially Americans, closely followed by the Brits- and don't get sensitive, just ask your fellow Ibiza and Cancun locals how they really feel), they're a f*cking nightmare and anyone that lives by the beach or in a country with stunning beaches will agree with me.. and no, the resorts lusting after them makes no point because guess who owns these resorts (other foreigners who coerced/bribed the local government to give them permits they probably shouldn't have) and the economy is not better because of them (turning everything to seasonal services before there's a solid structure for self-sustainment cuts all the chances of economic growth for many generations). An entire place is all aggressively developed (or should I say, robbed) to cater the worst type of tourists.. throwing up/peeing everywhere past midnight, polluting the place with 'hot spots' (resorts included), blasting house/techno/Fergie remixes and other godawful trashy music all day long and always trying to privatize the nature of the place, not to mention often intimidating/humiliating the locals. I'm sure some Greeks who are actually from Mykonos are secretly praying for a full 'Don't go to Mykonos' campaign so they get a break..

/Sundayrantover

Anyway..

It is an immature thing to say for someone with her level of fame. She's mostly showing her age imo, and maybe she has double-standards too because worst things happen in say, France, but France keeps her "model" career going. She also probably doesn't have the Citizen app cause she keeps going back to LA, whose specialty is not really shootings but opioid/housing crisis-derived bizarreness that looks like this at its mildest..

[my screenshot lol]

 

[Benn98]

An entire place is all aggressively developed (or should I say, robbed) to cater the worst type of tourists.. throwing up/peeing everywhere past midnight, polluting the place with 'hot spots' (resorts included), blasting house/techno/Fergie remixes and other godawful trashy music all day long and always trying to privatize the nature of the place, not to mention often intimidating/humiliating the locals.

That is part of the reason why I avoid Spain and Greece like the plague, not because of crime, but because of the above, which btw is spot on! I'd rather stay home before I go there. You can sort of avoid that chavvy behaviour in certain parts of Greece, but I feel for Spain because they're basically a cesspit filled with the worst of our people during season - the elderly choosing to retire there who doesn't waste a minute to remind visiting Brits and locals that they've invested their pension pot in the country and somehow that gives them the right to complain about everything from the heat to the food to the lack of translators and why there isn't enough access for their mobility scooters, and the young ones who go packed like sardines on some Easyjet flight just to get wasted and laid and cannot even name the king and queen of Spain let alone ask for directions in the language. And then there's still the Germans who come with their own level of entitlement.... the gays in Ibiza. So yeah, I thank God Africa and South America is so far away from Europe.

 

[dsamg]

Reviewing a place like it's a nightclub will unfortunately happen when it becomes touristy in that 'see-and-be-seen' kind of way. I do feel for the Greeks because nobody wants these tourists (especially Americans, closely followed by the Brits- and don't get sensitive, just ask your fellow Ibiza and Cancun locals how they really feel), they're a f*cking nightmare and anyone that lives by the beach or in a country with stunning beaches will agree with me.. and no, the resorts lusting after them makes no point because guess who owns these resorts (other foreigners who coerced/bribed the local government to give them permits they probably shouldn't have) and the economy is not better because of them (turning everything to seasonal services before there's a solid structure for self-sustainment cuts all the chances of economic growth for many generations). An entire place is all aggressively developed (or should I say, robbed) to cater the worst type of tourists.. throwing up/peeing everywhere past midnight, polluting the place with 'hot spots' (resorts included), blasting house/techno/Fergie remixes and other godawful trashy music all day long and always trying to privatize the nature of the place, not to mention often intimidating/humiliating the locals. I'm sure some Greeks who are actually from Mykonos are secretly praying for a full 'Don't go to Mykonos' campaign so they get a break..

/Sundayrantover

Anyway..

It is an immature thing to say for someone with her level of fame. She's mostly showing her age imo, and maybe she has double-standards too because worst things happen in say, France, but France keeps her "model" career going. She also probably doesn't have the Citizen app cause she keeps going back to LA, whose specialty is not really shootings but opioid/housing crisis-derived bizarreness that looks like this at its mildest..
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[my screenshot lol]

So true. After living in La Chapelle in Paris for 3 years, can confirm Paris is generally more unsafe than Mykonos (Love them both anyway)

That is part of the reason why I avoid Spain and Greece like the plague, not because of crime, but because of the above, which btw is spot on! I'd rather stay home before I go there. You can sort of avoid that chavvy behaviour in certain parts of Greece, but I feel for Spain because they're basically a cesspit filled with the worst of our people during season - the elderly choosing to retire there who doesn't waste a minute to remind visiting Brits and locals that they've invested their pension pot in the country and somehow that gives them the right to complain about everything from the heat to the food to the lack of translators and why there isn't enough access for their mobility scooters, and the young ones who go packed like sardines on some Easyjet flight just to get wasted and laid and cannot even name the king and queen of Spain let alone ask for directions in the language. And then there's still the Germans who come with their own level of entitlement.... the gays in Ibiza. So yeah, I thank God Africa and South America is so far away from Europe.

Haha this is just so true! And I never knew about this until I've recently started dating an affluent English man. Seems he and everyone he knows grew up with families that have houses in Menorca, yet when Brexit was brought up in front of his grandmother she launched into a rant about how we should get rid of the Eurostar because it is too easy for Europeans to come to Britain now. Had to bite my tongue a lot haha.

 

[cestmagique]

Gigi posted this:



And she's being roasted in the comments. I actually like Gigi, but that was such a silly thing to say.

What the hell? An unflattering bikini selfie to go with your "just got robbed" post? And "lol" you're not going back to Mykonos again? Okay, bye then. I thought she was reasonably intelligent, but this makes her look like a total moron.