Designer & Fashion Insiders Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[Kikala]

He will be back in 2 or 3 weeks with more egocentric headlines.

 

[Drusilla_]

Stylists are usually behind the scenes. Since Rachel Zoe, no one really tried to break the mold simply because by having everybody set into their position, it works easily.

Here we have someone very open about his ambition and while it seems like he comes with a package with Zendaya, I don’t think all the brands are willing to make an effort for him everywhere.

He is not working with the Dior girl he elevated. It seems to be all politics. And in fashion, the most lowkey of PR have more weight than the most celebrated and IG famous stylist in the world.

I don’t think not having a place at the front row of a fashion show is the reason he wants to retire but it probably hurts his ego. He sees himself as more than a stylist but please believe that the industry will make him remember that it’s what he is.

yeah I don't see multiple brands (or conglomerates for that matter) letting him be some kind of stylist equivalent of Anna Wintour.

Rachel Zoe could break that mould and be a public figure largely because the female celebs she styled, were mostly styled in her image and in a style that was very close to her own (with all the associated pitfalls). That's not really an option if you aren't a woman.

 

[Lola701]

yeah I don't see multiple brands (or conglomerates for that matter) letting him be some kind of stylist equivalent of Anna Wintour.

Rachel Zoe could break that mould and be a public figure largely because the female celebs she styled, were mostly styled in her image and in a style that was very close to her own (with all the associated pitfalls). That's not really an option if you aren't a woman.

And then again, we saw the impact of her fame in her career. It’s a compliment for a celebrity when their stylists are recognized and celebrated. It’s different when you are in a fame competition with them…
Again with Rachel Zoe, at some point she was more popular than the it-girls she was dressing. When you have a down in your career in you see your stylist on TV and signing contracts, it can create conflicts.

Law Roach is a celebrity in a way but he is supposed to be bts. Now we are at the era where celebrities are all chasing, running after a contract. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tries to achieve that too…

I think about someone like Jason Bolden, who styles one of Louis Vuitton’s ambassador. I don’t think that despite being on Netflix, he would find insulting to be seated second row behind Cynthia Erivo. She is the one who created a relationship with the brand…Not the stylist.

But maybe Law needs to take Edward’s offer if he wants to move on from styling celebrities. Then again, the life of a regular editor is less glamorous than one of a celebrity stylist.

 

[Serend1pity]

I don’t doubt it has been taxing as a black working class man to try and make his way in high fashion. To be honest I’m not surprised he is exhausted at all even if he can be dramatic that doesn’t negate the fact that he probably does face more bs than most

 

[Lola701]

I don’t doubt it has been taxing as a black working class man to try and make his way in high fashion. To be honest I’m not surprised he is exhausted at all even if he can be dramatic that doesn’t negate the fact that he probably does face more bs than most

Im a black woman who worked in fashion and part of me giving up on the industry was with dealing with the bs…But at the same time it was a bit naive for him to expect open doors coming from that lane of fashion.

There are a lot of codes and hierarchy in this industry…Even more in Europe (You don’t see superfamous high profile black editors in France or Italy even if they are working and are making their mark).

The race is a layer but he is in that particular lane.
Let’s face it, a lot of what happened post George Floyd in the fashion industry happened too soon and too fast to be true and it might also impact black creatives.

 

[Marc10]

All this drama and attention seeking will cost him in the long run.

Anya Taylor-Joy dropped him after he threw a hissy fit at Dior because they didn't tag him on an IG post, just as she was getting the contract with them. That kind of stuff burns so many bridges.

Celebrities want the to be center of attention, always. Not many are willing to put up with with someone that is supposed to work for them, but wants the spotlight just as much as them. He's a good stylist, but there are dozens of other good (and specially lowkey) stylists out there ready to snatch up his clients.

 

[Lola701]

All this drama and attention seeking will cost him in the long run.

Anya Taylor-Joy dropped him after he threw a hissy fit at Dior because they didn't tag him on an IG post, just as she was getting the contract with them. That kind of stuff burns so many bridges.

Celebrities want the to be center of attention, always. Not many are willing to put up with with someone that is supposed to work for them, but wants the spotlight just as much as them. He's a good stylist, but there are dozens of other good (and specially lowkey) stylists out there ready to snatch up his clients.

His tantrums against Dior were like basic level of amateurism…
He cared more about a tag on IG than building relationships with the people at Dior, namely Olivier Bialobos…
To loose such an opportunity because of Ego is terrible…

 

[sanssoleil]

This is so funny in a way, I'm sorry. He's an adult man who should be a professional, throwing a tantrum on instagram. I know it gets tough but he should have some self-restraint. Now he has plenty of people praising him in the comments and telling him not to quit though lmao.

 

[MulletProof]

^ I'm surprised to see seemingly established designers like Valli "Noo please don't leave! it wouldn't be the same without you, noo!"... what a pitiful, servile attitude. That desperate to get your designs on a celebrity? jeez.

It gets tough anywhere. Fashion's problem is the lack of sophisticated individuals haha, someone probably barked at him like a pit bull and his response? throwing a chihuahua tantrum. How he even took the time to create the "RETIRED" sign to make sure no one misses the post is .. you're in the US babe, you can style celebrities up until your 60s and you still won't be able to afford retirement lmao.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ No results for 'Leona' either. This happened in June 2021, does that match the Xenforo migration?

I just now remembered that the mention of suicide was involved in Costello's response and if my memory is not completely off, that he responded on ig to something that was mentioned here, so he was keeping an eye on the discussion. I went to see tFS' Terms and Conditions and I think I may have figured this one out (a direct request/legal threat + hard delete?). Maybe. It's a bit confusing (as these 'conditions' always are) because 'risk of physical/mental injury and/or death' is a violation but at the same time, Evolve assumes 'no liability for any User Content [aka. a post]'. Either way, I think people abuse some of these protection laws, they were for copyrighted content, victims of revenge p*rn.. not to sweep under the rug unprofessional conduct that isn't even illegal, just unfortunate and you got exposed .. instead of censoring strangers online, just govern yourself next time.

This, if the whole world could just do this

 

[susseinmcswanny]

Sometimes I don't understand what a stylist means in a creative sense. Because sometimes there isn't really "style". It's just pulling different (not cohesive) runway looks for someone. You wear a cyborg homeless person balenciaga look one day, then some Schiaparelli look the next, then some Prada dress from the 90s. That's not style... That's BPD.

 

[susseinmcswanny]

Give me credit for my art of looking at a runway pic and putting that runway look on a celebrity! You do not appreciate my art! My genius!

 

[tapenerd]

And now Law walked Boss.

 

[marsnoop2]

https://www.vogue.com/article/law-roach-makes-modeling-debut-boss-miami

 

[JPineapple]

https://www.vogue.com/article/law-roach-makes-modeling-debut-boss-miami

Please accept my apologies for the terrible math! So that’s nigh on a decade. In your Instagram post you used the word ‘retire,’ but what we’re seeing tonight feels more like a transition?

“I’m not saying I’m retiring from fashion. I love fashion. I love the businesses, and I love being creative. What I’m retiring from is the celebrity styling part of it: the being in service and at service of other people. That’s what I’m retiring from, yeah.”

You were quite enigmatic in your post, which created a vacuum into which a lot of love has since flooded…

“Yeah, it’s been overwhelming the amount of love. Because I also work and live in a bubble, in which my clients are my priority, more so than my own health and happiness. And, in my mind, you know, I was doing this [making his statement of retirement] just to relieve some pressure for myself, right? I was riding in the car and I made a decision. I said: “You know what, I’ve done everything I wanted to do in this career. I’ve received all the awards, the accolades, I’ve changed people’s lives…And I just feel like, I’ve had enough, you know? So that Instagram post wasn’t a PR stunt. It was really me giving myself the grace to say: It’s okay. You can do something else.”

So a form of self-care?

“Yeah. And that kind of became this other thing that I wasn’t quite ready for. I have had an outpouring of support, text messages and DMs that I haven’t gotten back to yet because it’s just overwhelming. Even fans saying that watching my work brings them joy. And people I’ve worked with like: “No, you can’t leave because, you know, we love working with you.” And just all these things… It’s beautiful. And it made me even more excited about today and working with Boss and them giving me an opportunity to to be shown in a different light, you know?”

That’s all…

 

[helmutnotdead]

I can’t deal with Raf pretentiousness but he absolutely nailed it when he said that fashion shouldn’t be democratic.

 

[THD96]

He is going to have the same type of retirement plan as Julia Nobis, so yeah I think we'll see him one way or another.

 

[Drusilla_]

So he made the big "retired from styling" announcement, only to go harder towards 'celebrity' status. Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up on Next in Fashion or something like that to raise his public profile.

 

[Drusilla_]

The full interview is here, there are additional parts where he says he's looking into other avenues, including possibly teaching (he does have a fair base to draw from, especially when it comes to marketing/promotion) : Law Roach Opens Up About His Retirement From Celebrity Styling, His Future Plans, and His Dramatic Modeling Debut for Boss

You were quite enigmatic in your post, which created a vacuum into which a lot of love has since flooded…

“Yeah, it’s been overwhelming the amount of love. Because I also work and live in a bubble, in which my clients are my priority, more so than my own health and happiness. And, in my mind, you know, I was doing this [making his statement of retirement] just to relieve some pressure for myself, right?.........

I can fully understand the decision from that perspective - after reading that Irene Silvagni interview in Vestoj a few years ago about the person whose stage 4 cancer got under control after ceasing to work for Jean Paul Gaultier, there is no doubt the pressure is real and can have devastating physical effects (and yeah, styling is a bit of a bullsh*t job but then so is a lot about fashion and its orbit). He's in his 40s, I wouldn't be surprised if health was a genuine concern but that's his business. Still a rather dramatic way to declare it though.

edit 2: also apparently there was some fuss over him not being allowed to sit front row with Zendaya at the LV show? (but why would they, she'd be sitting with the other house ambassadors)

 

[LostInNJ]

Sometimes I don't understand what a stylist means in a creative sense. Because sometimes there isn't really "style". It's just pulling different (not cohesive) runway looks for someone. You wear a cyborg homeless person balenciaga look one day, then some Schiaparelli look the next, then some Prada dress from the 90s. That's not style... That's BPD.

Give me credit for my art of looking at a runway pic and putting that runway look on a celebrity! You do not appreciate my art! My genius!

I can fully understand the decision from that perspective - after reading that Irene Silvagni interview in Vestoj a few years ago about the person whose stage 4 cancer got under control after ceasing to work for Jean Paul Gaultier, there is no doubt the pressure is real and can have devastating physical effects (and yeah, styling is a bit of a bullsh*t job but then so is a lot about fashion and its orbit). He's in his 40s, I wouldn't be surprised if health was a genuine concern but that's his business. Still a rather dramatic way to declare it though.

edit 2: also apparently there was some fuss over him not being allowed to sit front row with Zendaya at the LV show? (but why would they, she'd be sitting with the other house ambassadors)

I suppose if you only look at red carpet styling, perhaps ones view on what a stylist does is quite limited. However, at the core, a stylist helps to cultivate and define a particular mood or idea someone has via what they wear (whether they are on a red carpet, an album cover, a magazine cover, a movie, a music video, or hell, a commercial for a new drug).

I do find it interesting that so many people, here especially, regard styling as BS or completely trivial. I could make that argument about many other careers in and outside of fashion, however, it doesn't make them any less important. I mean, if you remove a stylist from the equation in any of the aspects I mentioned above, what do you actually have at the output of something when you take into account how important visual storytelling is? Could you imagine a film without a costume designer (a form of styling as far as I'm concerned), or a fashion show that wasn't "edited" and just presented as just a mix of things (that argument could still be made in some cases, but I digress)?