Designer & Fashion Insiders Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[Benn98]

The only gripe I had with Law Roach was with him getting fast-tracked by styling big covers which were obviously facilitated by the talent he worked with. So why wouldn't he feel entitled and on the level of top Vogue editors to also have a prime front-row seat except one next to the entrance (people in 2nd row behind Zendaya probably had better views than the seat he got at the end next to the scullery)? It was embarrassing. And there was going to be no way for a self-inflated fashion person to live that down with dignity. If it were me, I would at the very least cut ties with Zendaya. Because she knew there wasn't space and acted all naive when they got to the seat. And she saw him tag along after her so how did she think it would work out?

He mentioned something about working with difficult clients and how there are too many people involved when working with some celebrities. I was really surprised at the naivety and this happens very often with people close to me too. As a freelancer, you get to choose who you work with and do things on your terms, yes, but never forget that someone else is still footing the bill. No matter how good the synergy is, it will always be their will and interest. Of course, you can ALWAYS choose to work in that system or walk away. That's your privilege as a freelancer. It's not exactly a blinding revelation that in Hollywood every small component is monetised and carefully orchestrated. Because it's never just about a dress. That dress is being worn by an actress who signed a contract with the studio to attend the movie premiere to drive awareness and ticket sales. There's literally monetary value attached to awareness so of course there will be interference from the suits. They're merely protecting their assets and ROI.

 

[KoV]

Didn't bother saving them but there were a lot of blind item write-ins on DeuxMoi from assistants and brand PRs saying that he is an absolute nightmare to work with and does not pay.

Loathe as I am to give any credence to DeuxMoi, I'd absolutely believe them in this case. If Law is willing to publicly embarrass his clients like Zendaya and Anya Taylor-Joy and potentially jeopardize their lucrative partnerships because he couldn't deal with minor hits to his ego, I can only imagine the level of respect and consideration he shows for those beneath him on the food chain.

It's not that I think he's untalented. I know his clients have had stand-out red carpet moments while working for him. But how much of that is due to his vision and how much of that is due to other circumstances. When he began working with Zendaya, 12 years ago, he was pretty much a nobody (some success due to Kanye, I believe?) and Zandaya was obviously not a major star either. But the way people are talking/writing about it, it's being framed as "Law transformed Zandaya from tween star to movie star icon!" kind of thing. Did he? Or did her career just progress due to her making smart choices (Spider-Man, Euphoria, Dune) that helped raise her profile - and by extension his. He didn't "make" her anymore than she made him. Her being gorgeous, statuesque, and willing to have fun with fashion just makes her a dream client for anyone. He started working for Anya and shortly thereafter she became a huge star due to a string of hits (most notably The Queen's Gambit) but to in any way say her success is indebted to Law feels like a stretch. Same goes for other clients he's had success with, like Celine, and Anne Hathaway. What decent stylist couldn't create red carpet moments working with them? They're sample-size A-listers with fashion connections that basically ensure they'll be given any look they want. But what about his other clients? Has he been able to turn Demi Lovato into a red carpet sensation? Tiffany Haddish? That would convince me he's closer to being worthy of the term "icon" himself, as BBC recently anointed him.

 

[Benn98]

What did BBC say? Let me go and have a look.

I agree with most of your post, KingofVersailles but I do also agree that Zendaya's fashion cred as it is today, that's due to him. So is Celine Dion's. He was strategic enough to shape their personal style while dressing them in up-to-the-minute hf-approved brands.

High fashion cred/approval is what makes a celebrity a style icon. You can have the best personal style but if you've never appeared on a fashion magazine cover or regularly fawned about in magazines, in a campaign, or as a designer muse it basically doesn't matter. Popularity at any given stage doesn't grant you access to the fashion set and Vogue editors. If that's the case you'd see Selena Gomez, Arianna Grande, and Olivia Rodrigo who are very famous and all very interested in fashion, in campaigns and covers all the time. But you don't. Because they don't have the hf seal of approval. That's why Sienna Miller can easily get more samples and covers than these three pop stars combined.

 

[KoV]

^ Well, Law has also worked with Arianna Grande, so was he able to get her that same HF seal of approval? I think Zandaya, Anne, and Anya have that HF approval more due to their award-winning movie star status (as opposed to pop star which, fairly or not, has a trashier connotation) than with Law. It helps they're all tall, slim, beautiful, model-esque. Zandaya first gained notoriety for red carpet looks back when she wore the white Vivienne Westwood gown with dreadlocks to an Oscars afterparty red carpet. Giuliana Rancic made her racist joke about Zendaya's hair and immediately it was the most-talked about look of the night. Zendaya's response helped endear her to anyone taking note. American Vogue also gave Zendaya two covers, one in 2017 and one in 2019 (neither styled by Law) before her career really took off with Euphoria and she starting landing other covers left and right. So again, was it Law or was it Vogue's 2x stamp of approval combined with Zendaya's buzzy career that helped her gain that initial HF seal of approval? My view of the situation is that Law was the one using his Zendaya connection to further his career and fame and industry desirability - not the other way around. They've been working together since Zendaya was 14, and it took years for Zendaya to break through as a red-carpet presence, mirroring her breakthrough as an actress. Admittedly I don't like Law so perhaps I'm biased against him, but I resent the idea he "made" any of these stars.

Even the Celine Dion look for which he was most lauded, with the Titanic sweatshirt. Ok, the idea to have her wear the sweatshirt was smart because that's the kind of self-referential thing online audiences eat up, but the actual styling of it (hoodie, jeans, heals) didn't even look particularly good and was basic as hell. Instantly forgettable on anyone other than Celine Dion. It wasn't a triumph of styling it was just a fun/smart/ironic reference that worked in a zeitgeist-y way. So job well done for him in terms of creating a viral moment, but fashion-wise it wasn't anything special.

 

[gunsnroses]

This is what deuxmoi posted about Law Roach:

 

[Lola701]

^^
We can give him that. He build Zendaya fashion credibility. Her fashion credibility wasn’t build on candids of her looking fabulous in the streets but on a carefully curated fashion project.
Yes she is a good actress and was able to have important acting projects that raised her status and increased her power.

There’s something that being a very visible « fashion icon » offers you: publicity. I’ve never watched a project of Zendaya and even without my interest or connections with fashion, Zendaya ads are everywhere in the world. I was watching French Tv the other day and they talked about Law Roach on one of the 3 most popular talk show. He is presented as the stylist of Zendaya and Celine Dion. So you can imagine that most of French speaking countries in a way were exposed to that news…

Is he the one behind the ARIVENCHY mess?

 

[susseinmcswanny]

I just saw him speaking at some thing wearing one of ALT's old gucci coats and realized he is probably one of the reasons why no one will shut up with saying the words "archive" and "archival" now

 

[vetements]

I misspoke saying all stylists are what I described. I was really talking about the methods of Law and people like him. Styling itself is truly an art. And to create an image for a celebrity is a big project indeed. Just sometimes when you're pulling full looks from runways and archives, there's no cohesiveness. You're just wearing different trophies (Lola I took that terminology from you and run with it every day lol). The mood being created is a person with no personality. Granted yes there comes the work of actually getting those looks to pull. But when I think of a good stylist, I think of someone who could pull from tons of different designers, archive, thrift, whatever, and create that specific, curated look and mood in a cohesive way that's relevant to the personality of who you're creating for or what you're trying to create. You could have components of Yohji, Dior, Margiela, Balenciaga, hell even Philipp Plein, whatever, all from different worlds, coming together to make a new mood/narrative, whatever it be. Right now there's just a whole lot of "I'M WEARING X DESIGNER FALL WINTER XX ARCHIVE MAJORRR". zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I totally see where you are coming from and I also agree with that sort of styling. Unfortunately I thnk in reality for stylist like Roach, he is probably also getting for himself favours from the big houses that he establishes connections with, so showing those brands become part of his mission. Then say, an obscure brand or vintage Margiela that no one is able to purchase off the racks these days.
He may or may not have the sensibility to style it as such, but am pretty sure he is aware of how the game is played, and plays it accordingly.

Having said that, I am sure there are some talented stylists out there, likely for magazines who are great with their craft, just that they arent yet or are not willing to be absorbed into `the system` as yet...

 

[KoV]

This is just a silly little thing, but American Vogue reposted a photo of Stormy Daniels on their Instagram page, an Annie photo originally from back in 2018, with a lengthy caption about her (because of the indictment) and Zac Posen commented "In a @zacposen dress, please credit" lmaooooo

 

[yslforever]

She deserved a cover, maybe more Vanity Fair than Vogue (which is completely useless), mistresses have a hard time, First ladies have its easy... Mistresses have a better knowledge too. I'm dying to reard Monica L. on various subjects !!

 

[KoV]

I'm not sure Stormy warrants a cover. Her notoriety is circumstantial, and to call her a mistress is a giant stretch, if you ask me. During her time as a p*rn-star, she had a brief sexual experience one time with a guy who at the time was just a grotesque married businessman, and she later accepted a payout to not talk about it. I'm grateful she did speak out though as it turns out alot of that was her lawyer who was ultimately a criminal himself pushing her story hard on a willing media for his own financial and political gain. To me it's clear the (deserved) dislike of Tr*mp caused media to elevate her, to treat her salacious little accounts of his p*nis like front page news. Had he not become President, her story would be of interest to no one and she would just be seen as a p*rn-star who was willing to hook up with a nasty older (married, his wife home with a newborn) guy. From my perspective, she has turned 5 minutes with Donald nearly 2 decades ago into a lucrative gig, I'm sure she has made millions, appeared on every talk show, been shot of Annie for the pages of Vogue, etc. She's done quite well. That the hush money paid to her could be a part in seeing him convicted for something isn't really a reflection of anything admirable she's done, it's just luck. And that luck will probably continue. Ryan Murphy is likely plotting series as we speak.

To me, the people more worthy of admiration and attention are E. Jean Carroll and the 25 other women who have risked much and gained little fighting for justice.

 

[plentyofhorns]

the celine bus ads in NYC are crazy. also they could replace this Isabel Marant ad with “end world hunger” and no one would notice

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here’s another that recently popped up lol

 

[Benn98]

I wonder if Meisel is actually behind this account or just an assistant...



Edit: Why isn't the IG preview showing? @Armani please help!

 

[avonlea002]

I wonder if Meisel is actually behind this account or just an assistant...


Edit: Why isn't the IG preview showing? @Armani please help!

What was in that post? It's already deleted.

 

[Benn98]

What was in that post? It's already deleted.

Nothing juicy, just his shot from US Vogue in 1992, you should see it if you click through.

 

[Frederic01]

Is Celine designer Hedi Slimane still at war with Anna Wintour?

By Mara Siegler

May 6, 2023


Is there still bad blood between Anna Wintour and Hedi Slimane?

Celine creative director Hedi Slimane seems to still be holding a grudge against Vogue’s most powerful editor, Anna Wintour.

Eagle-eyed Met Gala watchers noted that French brand Celine was not at the famed Super Bowl of fashion on Monday night at the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

The night’s honoree, the late designer Karl Lagerfeld, was such a fan of Slimane that he famously lost 92 pounds to fit into the suits the designer was making for Dior Homme.

In a Twitter discussion about who was and was not on the red carpet, European “It” girl Camille Charriere seemed to confirm the bad blood.

Charriere’s wedding to film producer Francois Larpin was covered by the fashion biblein December 2021, leaving out a mention of her wedding dress by Slimane.

Chiming in on one social media user alleging, “Celine is banned” by Vogue, influencer Charrière responded “not banned,” but stated she “wasn’t allowed” by Slimane to “give my registry pics to Vogue.”

“It’s a choice Hedi made because he’s against the globalization of culture,” she said.

The alleged grudge has been going on for a while between Wintour and the former creative director for Yves Saint Laurent.

WWD reported that Vogue’s Runway section was not invited to cover Celine’s spring 2022 virtual show.

According to the fashion publication, Slimane was upset when Condé Nast fired the top editors at Vogue’s international editions – including his bestie, former Vogue Paris editor-in-chief Emmanuelle Alt.

The move happened in May 2021 as part of a restructuring after Wintour was named Global Editorial Director of Condé Nast’s magazine group.

Sources told the pub, “Slimane has expressed his frustration to Vogue global director and Condé Nast chief content officer Anna Wintour and hit the brakes on some advertising with the Vogue brand.”

A source close to the magazine tells Page Six, “it is Hedi’s decision not to work with Vogue,” and they have “nothing but respect and admiration for him and look forward to covering Celine in the future.”

PAGE SIX

 

[Lola701]

PAGE SIX

Nothing new under the sun…
Nicolas banned VP when MAS left the team…
If he wants to support his bestie, why not collaborate with her?

This time, it’s hard for me to see the point of that decision. Maybe it’s a matter of principles but is Condé Nast loosing considering that all the major brands of the group are still advertising for the magazine? Not sure…

 

[KoV]

If it's really because he's against "the globalization of culture", it's strange to pick a fight with just Vogue. Sounds more petty than that.


If he's really against the globalization of culture, why did he drop the accent from Céline Vipiana's namesake brand? Maybe that's a dumb point lolol, but I just think this is obviously a more personal, vindictive beef and not a principled stance.

 

[fashionista-ta]

^ Oh, if it's a fashion fight, my money's on petty every. single. time.

 

[KoV]

As it should be. More drama, please. The industry needs some zest.