Designer & Fashion Insiders Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

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  1. Lola701

    Lola701 Well-Known Member

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    I think the goal is interesting because the court of public opinion was solicited prior to legal actions. When someone call out somebody, they expect some sort of repercussions or punition.

    Wang is a major player in the American Fashion industry and the outcome of this issue (now that lawyers are involved) will have an impact in his position in the western fashion world.

    Personally, this won’t have an impact as I’m not a Wang customer but it will be interesting nevertheless. I’m also curious to see how Wang will get out of this...

    But i think what you said about the values is very interesting and I think there’s always some sort of double standard because we are human. Anybody can find excuses to justify why he/she supports a designer. I admire Galliano. I stopped buying his stuff from Dior a longtime before the debacle. I’ve bought clothes from his era at Margiela...
    But from some people, the introspection work he has done hasn’t changed the way they feels about him. And I think for me what was particularly interesting in the Galliano thing was the reaction of the victims.
     
  2. Lola701

    Lola701 Well-Known Member

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    I’m against Cancel culture, not because of the « What more do they want » but because it is superficial.
    I’m lucky and blessed to be in a position of power in my professional life and I have a very radical approach.
    I know the corporate system and sometimes the processes makes it difficult to take strong and definitive actions. So, I tend to take definitive actions. If there’s a complaint, I figure things out with the parties involved but while I take decisions regarding the parties involved, it’s always with the collective in mind.

    I think for example, the Weinstein and Bill Cosby cases were interesting. The decisions took way too long to happen but they were definitive. The question « do you watch the Cosby show or à Weinstein produced movie » is superficial after that.
     
  3. fashionista-ta

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    ^ I am most certainly not watching Cosby reruns, but given the large ensemble cast, I'm not sure how much I should think that show (and its spinoffs) is just about him, and same thing with Weinstein, especially. The people in his movies were often his victims, and don't deserve to have their work boycotted. I do definitely draw the line at a Woody Allen or Roman Polanski movie. Those are their vision, their creative output, and no thank you.

    Benn, wrt your Elle example, yes, I would take issue with that if they failed to mention the problem--which I think they would. Hopefully this will change now that Bazaar has a new editor, but I have been disappointed with their approach to 'journalism' in the past. I think fashion needs to take their journalism much more seriously.
     
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  4. Benn98

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    Where Does Alexander Wang Go From Here?

    by Evan Ross Katz
    06 January

    "Why aren't more fashion news outlets reporting about Alexander Wang?" It's a question that's been asked quietly for years, but got way louder last week after the combined forces of Diet Prada and sh*t Model Management picked up on TikTok videos posted by model Owen Mooney in which Mooney alleged that Wang had nonconsenually groped him at a New York City club in 2017.

    "I was by myself at one point and this guy next to me obviously took advantage of the fact that no one could f*cking move and he just started, like, touching me up and fully like, up my leg, in my crotch, like it made me freeze completely because I was in such shock," Mooney said in his brief statement addressing the allegation. "I looked to my left to see who it was and it was this really famous fashion designer. Like, I couldn't believe that he was doing that to me. It made me go into even more shock. It was really fucked up."

    This broke the proverbial dam, with many inside the fashion world and NYC nightlife community offering similar stories, as well as even more serious allegations, including that they'd been drugged by the 37-year-old designer. "Alexander Wang is an alleged sexual predator, many male models and trans models have come out and spoken about the alleged sexual abuse that Alexander Wang has inflicted upon them," read a post by sh*t Model Management. "It is important to show your support to these victims by unfollowing Alexander Wang and boycotting his clothing line."

    sh*t Model Management was then flooded with DMs from other accusers, as well as those with secondhand accounts of Wang's alleged past encounters. Old tweets from rapper and former Wang muse Azealia Banks began to resurface, in which Banks shared anonymous reports of Wang's sexual misconduct — and particularly his targeting of trans women — on her Instagram. Also resurfacing was a 2017 Twitter thread from model Nick Ward accusing Wang of nonconsensual groping. "As he was passing, he swung, squeezed me, and kept walking," Ward told Insider last week. "They were moving pretty quickly through, so by the time I realized what happened, I just announced to my friend, 'that guy just grabbed my d*ck' and they're all like, 'that was Alexander Wang.'"

    And because this is a column versus a report, I must mention my own DMs, which have been flooded with allegations from friends, friends-of-friends and followers I do not know with their own stories about Wang's reported predatory behavior. ENTTech Media Group and PAPER have not independently verified such accounts.

    On December 31, three days after Diet Prada and sh*t Model Management's posts, Wang finally issued a response. "Over the last few days, I have been on the receiving end of baseless and grotesquely false accusations," the designer wrote in a statement sent to The New York Times. "These claims have been wrongfully amplified by social media accounts infamous for posting defamatory material from undisclosed and/or anonymous sources with zero evidence or any fact-checking whatsoever."

    On January 1, Gia Garison, a trans model and actor, alleged details of her own Wang encounter from February 2017. "He tried to pull my panties down and expose my genitals in the VIP area... It was just another night and then I remember being introduced to Alexander Wang and then chatting to him. I just remember dancing around and he was chilling with his posse and then reached for my bikini bottoms I was wearing and tried to tug them downwards. I said: 'What are you doing, what the f*ck,' and stepped away. I didn't make much of it in the moment because I was just in club mode and tried to let things brush off my shoulder and not ruin my night... I've done many shoots where they've wanted to put me in his clothing since and I've just said no." Wang's lawyer said he "has never grabbed any woman" in the manner alleged.

    On January 2, Business of Fashion's Lauren Sherman published a report in which she spoke to five men about similar encounters to Mooney's. At time of writing, the story has been picked up by, in addition to the New York Times, The Business of Fashion, Harper's Bazaar, InStyle, People, HYPEBEAST, Dazed, The Guardian, Fashionista, PAPER and more. Noticeably absent from that list were a number of the industry's biggest glossies. "Why are [Elle] and [Vogue] not reporting on the Alexander Wang news?" tweeted former InStyle Editor In Chief Ariel Foxman. "You are the world's leading fashion news outlets. This is fashion news." On Monday night, Vogue finally published a story.

    So that's where we're at. But what's next? On Sunday, sh*t Model Management posted to their IG story stating that Lisa Bloom, the attorney that advised Harvey Weinstein through his sexual assault and rape allegations and represented the women whose sexual harassment claims helped get Bill O'Reilly ousted from Fox, had "reached out" and is "going to represent the victims." The post encouraged followers to come forward with their story if they are willing to speak. "Dear Alexander Wang accusers, Google my name + Lisa Bloom to learn hard truth," wrote Rose McGowan on Twitter. "Learn who is repping you. Nooooo."

    It's clear that hurdles remain, even if victims come forward in droves. Already, one alleged victim I spoke to anonymously asked his story to be removed from sh*t Model Management and Forbes after hearing that Wang is "lawyering up" and trying to "take down" the victims.

    On Monday morning, in a statement seen by Page Six, Wang wrote an internal email to his staff that reads: "Firstly, I'd like to take the opportunity to connect directly with the people who have helped me grow this brand into what it is today and address the recent false, fabricated and mostly anonymous accusations against me. While I have always been active in my social life, frequently attending various industry gatherings, parties and concerts where drugs and alcohol were present… but contrary to what has been said, I have never taken advantage of others in a sexual manner or forced anything on anyone without consent. I also have never abused my status or fame for my own benefit. These baseless allegations were started on social media by sites which repeatedly disregarded the value and importance of evidence or fact checking. It's my priority to prove these accusations are untrue and are fueled by solely opportunistic motives."

    On Monday afternoon, Wang responded on his personal Instagram account. "I'd like to take the opportunity to connect directly with the people who have followed and supported this brand and me over the years and address the recent false, fabricated and mostly anonymous accusations against me," he wrote. "These baseless accusations were started on social media by sites which repeatedly disregarded the value and importance of evidence or fact checking. My team is doing everything in its power to investigate these claims and I promise to remain honest and transparent throughout that process. I am fortunate to have received an overwhelming amount of support over the last few days and am thankful to those standing by my side at this time." Comments were turned off.

    Now comes a possible legal battle with no certain outcomes. "In general, sexual assault allegations are really hard to turn into a civil suit — or criminal charges for that matter — because of the absolutely horrific job we as a society do collecting and managing physical evidence," says Jenny Odegard, Of-Counsel at Samendinger Law. "So most legal actions come down to either videos, photos, or audio recordings (which is extremely rare), witnesses, and/or friends who remember hearing about it at the time. Even with some of those things, a victim has to have a lot working in their favor to have enough to be 'believed' by the legal system in any way that would result in culpability."

    As Odegard says, Wang is in the position of power here, in having both financial resources and access to institutions that confer power. She cites Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey's allegations and the lack of fallout as good examples of the type of battle Wang's victims face in seeking justice. According to her, there are two main paths that victims in this instance might take if they do not have the type of evidence mentioned above. One is to settle privately, the other is public shaming.

    "Public shaming can motivate a settlement, but it is very risky because the accused pretty much always responds by threatening a defamation/libel suit," she says. "Which can be really scary to receive and would be potentially financially ruinous. Even having to engage in the back-and-forth on that sort of thing can be too expensive for most victims and too time consuming for pro-bono attorneys. Either way, a victim has to have some solid receipts to get anywhere at all. In the accusations against Wang, where he's [allegedly] using drugs and alcohol to incapacitate victims, even a reliable memory of the events can be hard to conjure. So, an awful uphill battle is the general summary."

    While some of his alleged victims are asking for the bare minimum — acknowledgement, apology — that's definitely not happening anytime soon. What remains clear at this point is that Wang is taking no culpability within the accusations and intends to fight them in the effort to exonerate his name — and by extension, his brand.

    But those calling him out have no plans to stop. "I have no sympathy for abusers," the sh*t Model Management admin tells PAPER. "I think that Alexander Wang deserves to be de-platformed. He wants all of this to blow over, but I'm not letting up until I see actual change. If he gets away with this, it will make abusers feel safe and feel like they can continue to get away with it too. Just because Alexander Wang is famous doesn't mean that he is untouchable. He needs to be held accountable as much as every other abuser in the industry. I think that everyone should be boycotting his brand. I think that magazines should stop working with him. I don't think that he should be allowed to show during fashion week. There has to be some sort of accountability. Celebrities need to speak up and stop supporting him, as well. All of the celebs that were just wishing him happy birthday are silent right now. Where is the support for the survivors? I believe that Alexander Wang is a danger to the fashion community and these claims should be taken seriously."

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  5. dsamg

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    My feel is that this will blow over, although I can't believe it. The brand Instagram will lay off posting for a while til it is mostly forgotten, he will deny deny deny and the victims will get nowhere. His friends will continue to support him (for example Zoe left her bday post up, despite the hundreds of comments, although she changed the caption). It has in no way become a major news story, despite a few reports. This will hurt him but it won't kill the brand. Pretty sad.
     
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    Was scrolling through Insta and cringed at Elizabeth Sulcer liking this gross comment about Alexander Wang on Diet Prada's post.
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    pardon if this is the wrong place, but I was surprised that a big photographer like Bailey is still unpaid from a lot of his work. is this the case for most editorial work?
     
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  8. lucy92

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    So does Lachlan Bailey infer from his post that he made a windfall on Brad Pitt's brand licensing the image? or does GQ?
     
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    New to TFS but anyone know why Enninful supposedly doesn't like Gisele? Read that on another thread I forgot
     
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  10. Cute

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    D&G is suing Diet Prada
     
  11. GERGIN

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    Not very good with Law and Order but what chance does D&G have of winning this case? Can they solely blame Diet Prada for their own error?

    To be honest it'd be funny to me to see Diet Prada lose only because I used to trust them as an honest source of news until I saw they clearly get sponsored by certain brands...
     
  12. THD96

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    Can't stand both parties but I'm on DP in this because all of this fiasco started with Stefano ignorant so they should blame themselves.

    And doing all of this won't bring your old customers back D&G. You know what will bring them back, start put effort in your design make something that creatively and not something desperate try to chasing TikTok kids.
     
  13. Benn98

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    LOL, for them to sue must mean they've felt the loss of all those customers. The mainly Chinese customers. And then the pandemic happened. Can't they just chalk it down to karma instead of trying to blame someone else?

    Anyway, this case seems clear cut to me, Diet Prada will win. But their lawyer's fees will ramp up. This is how the rich assert their dominance. It's not about winning or losing. It's about dragging the opponent into every international court they can in order to bankrupt them.
     
  14. Marc10

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    I'm #TeamNeither. They can tear each other down for all I care.
     
  15. dodencebt

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    Honestly, same. But Dolce & Gabbana's downfall is their own fault, and no one else's.
     
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    Mowalola is proved to steal ideas and designs from small designers. This is suck, because I want to root for her.
     
  17. FelipeV

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    D&G doesn't have a case but I hope that woke DietPrada lose, they're one of the biggest contributors to this cancel culture, feeling so above morally, someday someone who loses their job or get their business affected is gonna fight back against them in some court, but not D&G, not his time.
     
  18. Marc10

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    Why do students/indie designers keep sharing their work with bigger designers? They're asking to get screwed over. Of course they're gonna steal their ideas!
     
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    There seems to be no end in sight for this story.....

    Via The Guardian:

    Teen Vogue photographer says Condé Nast doesn't value Asian community

    Yu Tsai condemns magazine publisher for offering editor’s role to Alexi McCammond, who then resigned over racist tweets
    Priya Elan
    Mon 22 Mar 2021 15.37 GMT

    A Teen Vogue photographer has said the hiring and swift axing of editor-in-chief Alexi McCammond over anti-Asian tweets shows Condé Nast does not “value” its Asian staff members.

    McCammond apologised for comments she tweeted in 2011 and which had been reported before. Condé Nast announced last week that she would no longer start in the job on Wednesday as planned.

    “Condé Nast knew about these tweets but they still offered the job to McCammond,” said Yu Tsai, a photographer who has worked for the magazine. “This tells me that [they] didn’t value their Asian community.

    “I think Condé Nast must have thought the Asian community would remain silent about this matter. [But] our community will not take social injustice and racism silently.”

    In 2019, McCammond was named emerging journalist of the year by the National Association of Black Journalists. When her appointment at Teen Vogue was announced earlier this month, Anna Wintour, Vogue’s global editorial director, said: “Alexi has the powerful curiosity and confidence that embodies the best of our generation of leaders.”

    It seemed a step forward for a publisher which had endured a difficult year since the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis last May touched off global protests for racial equality.

    In June, a Wintour apology to black creatives for not giving them enough space in Vogue met with widespread derision. Beverly Johnson, the first black model to appear on the magazine’s cover, in 1974, commented: “Wow – after three decades, fashion’s leading arbiter has finally acknowledged that there may be a problem!”

    Magazine covers featuring women of colour – Viola Davis for Vanity Fair and Simone Biles and Kamala Harris for Vogue – were criticised for alleged colourism and bad lighting of dark skin. Wintour apologised for the Harris cover, saying: “It was not our intention to … diminish the importance of [her] victory.”

    Elsewhere, Bon Appetite’s editor-in-chief, Adam Rapoport, stepped down in June after a “brownface” photo resurfaced. The magazine apologised for the “horrific” photo and promised: “Things are going to change.”

    Some observers suggested structural racism at Condé Nast meant people of colour were not in positions of power to prevent such repeated embarrassments. Johnson suggested the imposition of a “Beverly Johnson rule”, making it mandatory that black people be interviewed for significant positions. McCammond, from the politics website Axios, seemed to offer a highly visible step towards such change.

    But her tweets from 2011 resurfaced in response to news of her appointment. In an open letter, 20 Teen Vogue staffers said: “In a moment of historically high anti-Asian violence … we as the staff of Teen Vogue fully reject [McCammond]’s sentiments.”

    Advertisers including Ulta Beauty and Burt’s Bees halted campaigns as a result of the tweets. After the Atlanta spa shootings, in which six Asian women were among eight people killed, McCammond handed in her notice.

    “McCammond’s actions contributed to the hate that we are facing today with the Asian community,” Tsai said.

    Randi Bryant, a diversity and inclusivity consultant, said McCammond’s multiple apologies did not absolve her.

    “There are some things people find difficult to forgive,” she said. “Forgiveness is about trust: do you trust this person is sincere in their apology and will not hurt you in the same way again?”

    Bryant also said McCammond’s own ethnicity may have affected the reaction to her tweets.

    “Racism is about power,” she said, “since minorities do not make policies or possess most of the power in the country, people may not react as strongly when a minority expresses prejudice.”

    Bryant said McCammond’s appointment and resignation should not be treated as an isolated incident.

    “As a country we are reactive to racism instead of proactively addressing it,” she said. “We become outraged after high-profile killing, demand change, then revert back to acting as though racism isn’t a problem.”

    Condé Nast did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
     
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  20. theBlueRider

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    Aren't the Editors in Chiefs supposed to reflect the designated reader demographic?

    I always wondered how and why Anna Wintour stays on at American Vogue since she is a British woman and seems very distant from knowing American culture and diversity. Do the other international editions of Vogues tend to have an Editor in Chief who is foreign from the designated nation/culture?
     

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