Model Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[Zposen]

Carine is still very influencial in the industry. People just love her so, any model she decide to support will get the support.
It's not just about magazine covers as Gigi & Bella have usually been the faces of the brands Carine consult for... Or they got some campaigns/runway shows thanks to Carine's connections.

Gigi as the face of everything Tom Ford in 2014 is Carine. She is a friend and the stylist of Tom Ford campaigns.
Bella's first runway show was Tom Ford FW15.

Gigi as the face of MaxMara is Carine...
Bella as the face of Dior Cosmetics is Carine. She styled their handbags and cosmetics campaigns with Meisel.

Them walking Chanel is not because Aurelie Duclos finds that they are the best models ever. They are the girls of the moment and Carine "discovered" them.

Pierpaolo is the CD of Diesel Black Gold but because Marie Amelie Sauve is the stylist, you'll never see an hadid doing this show.

If you notice, most of the campaigns that Pierpaolo is involved with are styled by Carine or photographed by photographers who had shot with them previously...
Gigi as the face of Dsquared by M&M...They shot her for her Vogue Paris cover.

I don't disagree with you. She helped them out a lot especially when physically neither looked like models at the time. But, it was not until PDM casted her in Versace spring 2016 show and then the campaign did Gigi's career really took off. Last season, they basically opened/closed all their Milan shows and are responsible for most of their campaigns work (Max mara, Moschino, DKNY, Fendi, DSquared). In an interview, Piergiorgio basically took credit for making Gigi happened, he said that he backed her in a significant way.

 

[eizhowa]

The thing is, if you like a model you don't care how they came to be a model.

I like Gigi (as a model). Thank God someone gave her a leg up otherwise she wouldn't be here

 

[jena92]

The thing is that a part from Kendall, no one knew the Hadid before. Maybe in their city, maybe in the US but they were absolutely unknown in Europe. Those Real Housewives ar not broadcast here.

You didn't knew about Cara because usually those types of families are very private. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people don't know about the connections of Stella Tennant or Ines De La Fressange.

Well yes the Hadid's hadn't that big following from the beginning but in the US people knew them (i'm not sure about that since I don't watch the show and I'm not from the US but it seems like they were kind of famous)
The weird thing is noone hates on Stella and Ines for their connections, Cara on the other hand....

 

[kokobombon]

The weird thing is noone hates on Stella and Ines for their connections, Cara on the other hand....

or Lydia HEARST!
even Jean Campbell, people might not like her look but I don´t remember them complaining about her connections.

 

[Benn98]

or Lydia HEARST!
even Jean Campbell, people might not like her look but I don´t remember them complaining about her connections.

Or the Campbell girls, Edie and Olympia! They have three Vogue covers together.

I think the reason is that these girls are used purely as models, not celebrities. Their management keeps a close eye to not have their name dragged through thrashy tabloids.
Kendall, Gigi and Bella, through no fault of their, are used as clickbait. They eat Nando's and it gets more user comments than politics of the world.

 

[Lola701]

The weird thing is noone hates on Stella and Ines for their connections, Cara on the other hand....

Well, it was another era. Fashion was much more exclusive so "nepotism" wasn't really seen as something bad. And those girls kinda became models by default. They didn't need or seek that.

The thing is also that fashion over the past 20 years has always "market" this idea of that "Cinderella" model, coming from a poor background, raising to the top of superstardom. The Natalias, the Giseles and everything.

Because of those type of stories, the general public seems to think that modelling rules are based on social subjects. Modelling is actually an unfair job based on nothing objective: you just have to be photogenic.
Today, anybody can be a model. We know those designers don't make plus sized clothes in their shops but because of the pressure of social media, they put plus-size models in they shows but at the same time, people are mad when they put the people who actually buys their clothes (all the nepotist kids). I include myself in the people who complains...

But back to someone like Ines. She had a very likeable personality and somehow people kinda forgot about her background. People assumed that she looked that wonderful and effortless in Chanel because she was an extraordinary model even if the real reason was that she was born in that lifestyle and for her, wearing a couture outfit was like wearing a t-shirt. That really made her stand-out.

Maybe the problem of all those kids is that they are not standing-out enough. Willow Smith for example has more personality and allure than Kendall but in that sea of "celebs-models", it's hard to see who is really honest about his motives and who is a pure opportunist.

 

[Deleted member 130879]

Are we seriously comparing Stella to the Hadids? What's next? Compare MariaCarla Boscono to Kate Upton?

No one hates on Stella because she was and is an amazing model. She belongs to a whole different championship (as we say around here). Even if she wasn't from a wealthy family she had everything to be an amazing model and when she first appeared it was all about girls like her.

Cara is a terrible model and only got famous by behaving like a little brat. She is far from being a good model and I can think of at least 3 different times she behaved terribly/unprofessionally during a runway show. No one even dared to say anything because of her family (that although not famous is incredibly powerful and influential inside the fashion industry). The Hadids and Jenner are a different phenomenon: it's all about the following and money (not status).

And Jean Campbell, really? The girl does what? Three runway shows per season? Plus a Tim Walker editorial and a campaign? And everything she does is so "non-hyped" that it's like hating on a second tier English football club. And don't think Jean and, I don't know, Chiara Scelsi have anything to be hated for. The girls are so low-key and work so little when compared.

And I never saw anyone care about Lydia Hearst. She's quite... forgettable.

 

[kokobombon]

^We were talking about nepotism. Talent or no talent, nepotism is nepotism.

 

[Deleted member 130879]

I disagree. If a model is talented, it's difficult to analyze her career and tell if this is all because of her connections or because of her actual talent. It would be a bit hypocrite to forbid a girl from following a modelling career just because she was born into a wealthy family.

What is cringe worthy is when a girl's career is just based on her family connections/money: like Cara, like the Hadids, like Kendall. I could easily bet that none of them would ever be a prolific model if it wasn't for that. Cara doesn't even fit the body standards, she would never get signed to begin with (well most of the shorter models had connections, from Liberty Ross to Devon Aoki so...).

 

[billiejbob]

I disagree. If a model is talented, it's difficult to analyze her career and tell if this is all because of her connections or because of her actual talent. It would be a bit hypocrite to forbid a girl from following a modelling career just because she was born into a wealthy family.

What is cringe worthy is when a girl's career is just based on her family connections/money: like Cara, like the Hadids, like Kendall. I could easily bet that none of them would ever be a prolific model if it wasn't for that. Cara doesn't even fit the body standards, she would never get signed to begin with (well most of the shorter models had connections, from Liberty Ross to Devon Aoki so...).

While Cara certainly got into the modelling industry because of her family connections, she made a name for herself as a top model she was when she was at her peak. Whether you like or not, she was definitely an amazing model when it came to her campaigns, editorials, runway shows.

 

[modellove]

I disagree. If a model is talented, it's difficult to analyze her career and tell if this is all because of her connections or because of her actual talent. It would be a bit hypocrite to forbid a girl from following a modelling career just because she was born into a wealthy family.

What is cringe worthy is when a girl's career is just based on her family connections/money: like Cara, like the Hadids, like Kendall. I could easily bet that none of them would ever be a prolific model if it wasn't for that. Cara doesn't even fit the body standards, she would never get signed to begin with (well most of the shorter models had connections, from Liberty Ross to Devon Aoki so...).

While you can probably make a case for the Jenners/Hadids only getting as far because of money/family, Cara is a whole different ball game. Look, I get it. 99% of this thread hates her, but let's not act like she wouldn't get as far if she weren't discovered at a McDonalds vs. her having an in to the industry. The one thing she was bad at was runway, but her print work was impeccable, that's not even mentioning she was booking things left and right plus she was a girl who could sell. And she did that right before Instagram was as popular as it is now in terms of your career (as matter of fact, I think she was the very first "insta" model).

And if we wanna talk about shorter girls, yes lots of them are nepotism but there's a plethora more who were just "normal" girls. Sasha P, Miranda Kerr, Anna Ewers, etc. We do have an entire thread on it...

 

[magsaddict]

Well yes the Hadid's hadn't that big following from the beginning but in the US people knew them (i'm not sure about that since I don't watch the show and I'm not from the US but it seems like they were kind of famous)
The weird thing is noone hates on Stella and Ines for their connections, Cara on the other hand....

As a long time Beverly Hills Housewives watcher, i would say the girls were mostly just seen walking through the house as opposed to being a major role. There were occasions, like birthdays, Gigi moving to NY and Bella's DUI where they had mini storylines, but it was certainly only Yolanda's interactions with them. Interestingly, by the fourth season (Yolanda joined in season 3), Gigi was already modelling seriously and was working with Roitfeld, so it's not like the show catapulted them to success, although it was great exposure. I think it's more the father's vast wealth that's the secret. In fashion, as in Beverly Hills, money talks.

 

[dodencebt]

screencapped by me

'Curated' I think it intentionally makes Bouchra seem like a stylist instead of a designer. I take it as a dig at the racism issue that surfaced two days ago. I'd love to know if Joan was told she was walking Lanvin before or after that Scully post went up.

 

[TREVOFASHIONISTO]

^she did comment on his post that day in support of him, strange to see that she still walked.

 

[fashionista-ta]

It's unfortunate to hear that about Lanvin ... how far the house has sunk. I have clear recollections of black models in Alber's shows. Very pleased to see Balenciaga has replaced their casting agency. I hope that sends a loud & clear message to both them and others ...

 

[SpeakThatJDunn]

It's unfortunate to hear that about Lanvin ... how far the house has sunk. I have clear recollections of black models in Alber's shows. Very pleased to see Balenciaga has replaced their casting agency. I hope that sends a loud & clear message to both them and others ...

Really? Alber only really had a strong black cast Spring 2011 and even then, he sent them all together to close the show to make a "statement", but then next season it was back to token.

As for Joan walking Lanvin despite the race thing, are we surprised? I like her, but come on...

 

[fashionista-ta]

I'm curious as to what the demographics of the French population look like. I'm much more familiar with the US, where African-Americans make up about 12% of the population, I believe. We have a significant Hispanic population ... off the top of my head, it would seem they are the least represented on the runway. (Now I'm far less than model height, and many Hispanic men are shorter than I am, but every population has its tall people.)

I think a significant point here is the outright discrimination. In this country, removing people from consideration for a job based on their ethnicity is illegal. This type of flagrant discrimination was never associated with Lanvin in the past, to my knowledge.

 

[Aizanara]

I'm curious as to what the demographics of the French population look like. I'm much more familiar with the US, where African-Americans make up about 12% of the population, I believe. We have a significant Hispanic population ... off the top of my head, it would seem they are the least represented on the runway. (Now I'm far less than model height, and many Hispanic men are shorter than I am, but every population has its tall people.)

I think a significant point here is the outright discrimination. In this country, removing people from consideration for a job based on their ethnicity is illegal. This type of flagrant discrimination was never associated with Lanvin in the past, to my knowledge.

The French population is one of the most diverse in Europe. This is all due to historical reasons. We have black, arabian, asian, hispanic, nordic people.
France colonized many countries (Nothern Africa mainly and many other African countries). Moreover, after WWII, the country was completely ruined and we needed people to rebuild it. They asked people from a lot of European countries to come to France to work (Spanish, Italian, Portuguese and a lot of other countries as well as African countries). These people stayed and were joined by their families. My grandfather came from Algeria to work in France and this is how my mom was able to become a French citizen.
The population is very diverse (and old). You can find any nationality. I can't tell you exactly how much there is because there are so many but it's a minority. It's also difficult to estimate these figures. Indeed, the majority of the migrants back in the 60s gained the French nationality.

Wikipedia explains it a lot better than me so here you go.

 

[fashionista-ta]

wikipedia

^ Thanks. So 2004 is pretty old, but this seems to be the relevant info ... much smaller percentages than the US of black and Asian people.

As of 2004, French conservative think-tank Institut Montaigne estimated that there were 60 million (85%) white people of European origin, 6 million (10%) North African people, 2 million (3.5%) Black people and 1 million (1.5%) people of Asian origin in Metropolitan France, including all generations of immigrant descendants.

Generally in this country we compare the diversity of a group (Congress, the Supreme Court, etc.) to the population at large to see whether it's out of step (and both are). If you compare the cast to the population of France, where it appears it is probably out of step is with the 10% of North African (Arab?) origin.

 

[Fantomette]

You may find it interesting to know that statistics of ethnic and racial groups are not allowed in France. According to the law, french citizens cannot be viewed based on criteria such as skin color, religion or ethnic group. That's because France is supposed to be a society where race doesn't matter (nice utopia, right ?).
(I'm using the word "race" because I'm writing this post in English and I often encounter this word in the English press. I'm aware this word would be very sensitive in French.)