Model Behavior (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[TREVOFASHIONISTO]

Whats so gross about it is that they're basically using the land and people as props. They don't seem to be embracing the culture, but continuing to do daily activities they would do in the comfort of their homes. Mimosas and avocado toast in the middle of a field?? i could throw up

 

[Runabout]

x2. Pretty sure the models chose to go. Dont feel bad for them.

Ah, I see. I thought it was somekind of pressure or something.

Well, guilt retracted.

 

[billiejbob]

Whats so gross about it is that they're basically using the land and people as props. They don't seem to be embracing the culture, but continuing to do daily activities they would do in the comfort of their homes. Mimosas and avocado toast in the middle of a field?? i could throw up

Agreed. Every time I've seen a photoshoot that is set in Africa there's at least been some kind of context to it relating to Africa (whether landscape, wildlife, culture etc).
This particular situation is just so out of context and makes no sense whatsoever. It could have been set in Antarctica, Medieval Europe, or Mordor and it still would have made as much sense as it does here.

On the note of "exploitation" of tourism in Africa though (which is unrelated to this photoshoot but is brought up a bit here) we have to understand the importance tourism and how it supports communities and wildlife. I can't believe Lola701 is saying safaris are bad. Safaris are the number one thing stopping governments from just letting poachers utterly destroy and kill off all African wildlife. African countries are beginning to realise the importance of tourism money from safaris and the need to keep these animals alive. Just look at the Mountain Gorillas in Rwanda. Once on the brink of extinction due to poaching, the Rwanda government has now re-educated former poachers to become rangers and care for the gorillas because they know that if they keep the gorillas alive and thriving then they will have a infinite number of people coming to visit them in the wild. This in turn gives a HUGE boost to the economies of local communities.

 

[Lola701]

I can't believe Lola701 is saying safaris are bad. Safaris are the number one thing stopping governments from just letting poachers utterly destroy and kill off all African wildlife. African countries are beginning to realise the importance of tourism money from safaris and the need to keep these animals alive. Just look at the Mountain Gorillas in Rwanda. Once on the brink of extinction due to poaching, the Rwanda government has now re-educated former poachers to become rangers and care for the gorillas because they know that if they keep the gorillas alive and thriving then they will have a infinite number of people coming to visit them in the wild. This in turn gives a HUGE boost to the economies of local communities.

I don’t like Safaris and everything that is attached behind that imagery.
The fact that it’s good for the governments is another question. That is not my concern...
If it exist, it’s because it makes money and a lot of things. But still I don’t like Safaris.

 

[Benn98]

On the note of "exploitation" of tourism in Africa though (which is unrelated to this photoshoot but is brought up a bit here) we have to understand the importance tourism and how it supports communities and wildlife. I can't believe Lola701 is saying safaris are bad. Safaris are the number one thing stopping governments from just letting poachers utterly destroy and kill off all African wildlife. African countries are beginning to realise the importance of tourism money from safaris and the need to keep these animals alive. Just look at the Mountain Gorillas in Rwanda. Once on the brink of extinction due to poaching, the Rwanda government has now re-educated former poachers to become rangers and care for the gorillas because they know that if they keep the gorillas alive and thriving then they will have a infinite number of people coming to visit them in the wild. This in turn gives a HUGE boost to the economies of local communities.

I would actually consider the above 'retreat' to be a form of exploitative cultural tourism, so I don't think it's unrelated. A country like Namibia, not rich by any stretch, enables their Himba tribe to live the way they do without much interference. There is, of course, some tourist activities going on with the tribe but it's extremely minimal due to the very high price point, the fact that they're situated in such a remote part of the country, and the fact that they're nomadic. And to top it all off, tourism isn't even their primary income. Actually, let's not discuss where they get their money from......lol.

The problem with the Maasai is that they rely on a very meagre source of income, almost solely in the form of direct donations from tourists. It's pretty much hand-to-mouth. Definitely not substantial enough to aid them in the ways needed for them to go about. Plus their living space has decreased over the years due to a squabble between their native country and Tanzania, which is why they're forced to play along with those cringeworthy shows and tours they put on for visitors or ideas like the one above.

I'm not against all tourism in Africa as I'm very much aware that it's what they have to do to survive. But it should at least be vetted so that blokes like this Russell can't just waltz in and make a quick buck using people as props. Safaris are a double-edged sword because while South Africa, for instance, generates a tidy sum from tourism, they also LEGALLY condone trophy hunting of captive-bred lions.

Sorry for going off topic!

 

[AnnKateBetty]

^^
You said it perfectly.
There’s a big insensitive cultural tourism going on in that part of Africa.
I want to be mad at those women but I can’t.
I hate the fact that there are Safaris still going on in 2019. But hey, governments are making money out of it and you have western people (black or white) going there to have their dose of exotism.

Diet Prada try to turn it into a race thing but in fact it’s deeper than that.

I don’t know if that part of Africa can really move out of that.
I have Central African origins and i’ve Always find that indecent.



Yes, i don’t disagree about the fact that Karl is also famous about his controversial comments but as the majority of his controversial are in French, I don’t have the same point of view as people from abroad (like his comment on the migrant that was based on a personal experience from a friend of him).
And i’ve Said it before. He was an old privileged white man. I don’t necessarly think that his opinion mattered that much. He had the right and decided to express it but that’s on him. And people decided to ask him about certain topics, I can’t be mad at him saying it like he mean it.
And to be honest, he was at least less hypocrite than a lot of people in the fashion industry.

Unfortunately, many many people shape their own opinions from such sources like social media and magazines, so yeah... opinions of famous people can matter. Therefore, considering his position and that many still think of him as a 'legend' - his opinion definitely mattered. Ignorance is never a bliss. And btw, I'm really interested in those mistranslations.

 

[Lola701]

Unfortunately, many many people shape their own opinions from such sources like social media and magazines, so yeah... opinions of famous people can matter. Therefore, considering his position and that many still think of him as a 'legend' - his opinion definitely mattered. Ignorance is never a bliss. And btw, I'm really interested in those mistranslations.

There are so many but the thing is that he makes a lot of interviews in french (obviously) so, it's easier for me for example to have a real understanding of what he wanted to say. You can't really translate quote on quote french in english. You need to have context sometimes to get it...
And the thing about Karl is that he has never denied or apologize for the quotes attributed to him. I remember in a french TV show he said that once an editor told him he wrote something thinking that Karl could have said it.

I only remember one time that he was asked about the "Adele" thing. He explained himself, what he said actually made sense and made people laugh but i'm sure it would have been even more controversial if his answer was translated.

Even if he was a german or a world citizen, he was actually very french. He had our worst habits and shared a lot of our paradox.
That's maybe why the emotion in France was deeper than anywhere else...

 

[Armani]

Janaye Furman and Londone Myers are also speaking out against hairstylists who don’t know how to work with black models’ natural hair texture:

 

[squilliam]

There are so many but the thing is that he makes a lot of interviews in french (obviously) so, it's easier for me for example to have a real understanding of what he wanted to say. You can't really translate quote on quote french in english. You need to have context sometimes to get it...
And the thing about Karl is that he has never denied or apologize for the quotes attributed to him. I remember in a french TV show he said that once an editor told him he wrote something thinking that Karl could have said it.

I only remember one time that he was asked about the "Adele" thing. He explained himself, what he said actually made sense and made people laugh but i'm sure it would have been even more controversial if his answer was translated.

Even if he was a german or a world citizen, he was actually very french. He had our worst habits and shared a lot of our paradox.
That's maybe why the emotion in France was deeper than anywhere else...

I think a lot of people don't understand the concept of something being lost in translation. It's something where you have to know more than one language, and maybe the cultures associated with those languages, to comprehend. I remember my french teacher saying that certain english phrases like "lend me your ear" would make no sense in french, it wouldn't mean "listen to me" like it does in english, it would be taken literally in french. There are also some words and phrases that cannot really be translated at all. I'm bilingual and sometimes I have difficulty translating certain words or phrases or concepts between English and arabic, and some things if translated can sound very offensive in the other language. I'm not defending all of Karl's comments but "lost in translation" is a real thing that's difficult to understand and explain

 

[Lax89]

Is there a video with his quotes ?

 

[FashionMuseDior]

I personally find the comments he made about the #MeToo movement and the photoshoots team asking models if they're comfortable with posing quite disgusting and sexist.

"What shocks me most in all of this are the starlets who have taken 20 years to remember what happened," he told Numero magazine. "Not to mention the fact there are no prosecution witnesses."
"I read somewhere that now you must ask a model if she is comfortable with posing. Its simply too much, from now on, as a designer, you can't do anything," he said.
"If you don't want your pants pulled about, don't become a model! Join a nunnery, there'll always be a place for you in the convent. They're recruiting even!"

Taken from cnn.com

 

[Valentine27]

Nate Westling on Instagram: “Link in bio. @cnnstyle —————- Photo by @collierschorrstudio thank you Collier, @SheaSpencer, @FelixFrith, @hollismithhead for everything.”

Link to the full article : http://edition.cnn.com/style/article/nathan-westling-transgender-model/index.html

 

[TREVOFASHIONISTO]

so happy for him!

 

[sixtdaily]

Pat Cleveland's family started a gofundme to pay for her medical fees.
Thoughts?

Click here to support Pat Cleveland fund organized by PAUL VANRAVENSTEIN

 

[Lola701]

It’s sad for Pat but It’s beautiful to see the support.
However, it’s a pity that models back in the days did not made as much money as today. Your only exit plan was to marry a rich man or to start working with the designers.

 

[333101]

^Yeah I'm not going to judge them for that, at least not without knowing all of the facts. Cancer doesn't discriminate regardless of your financial circumstances and medical costs in the US seem absolutely crazy to me. For all of the UK's faults, we are incredibly lucky to have our healthcare system and I only hope Pat receives the treatment she needs and makes a successful recovery.

 

[TommyGirl]

^ I would not dare to judge either, cancer is terrible disease in any case, can't even imagine how it'd be if you couldn't get all the possible medical treatment for financial reasons. And we know in US it can take a big fortune to treat any serious conditions. Luckily here too (and our system is faulty too) public healthcare takes care of these situations.

 

[Lola701]

Yes, that’s why I had this thing about the fact that models back in the day didn’t made that much money because it’s unfortunate that someone who has worked all her life, doing something she loves can not afford treatment.
Regardless of what she is and her position cancer is one of the most prominent disease of our time and yet, it’s quite a luxury to be treated.

Thankfully, we can still count on people and humanity. It’s great that she has that support (financial and emotional)!

 

[sixtdaily]

Good point Lola, I'd be interested to know how much models were able to make back in the days. And how much they are paid now for their occasional jobs and runway appearances.

I must say that when I saw this gofundme, it was a big surprise. How come people who are showing off their lavish lifestyle on IG have suddenly no money for their own health. How come they don't have savings or travel insurance? It's not the first case of celebrity asking for money to pay for health cost and probably won't be the last... in any case, best wishes to her in her fight against this terrible illness.

 

[Benn98]

I must say that when I saw this gofundme, it was a big surprise. How come people who are showing off their lavish lifestyle on IG have suddenly no money for their own health. How come they don't have savings or travel insurance? It's not the first case of celebrity asking for money to pay for health cost and probably won't be the last... in any case, best wishes to her in her fight against this terrible illness.

It may sound cruel, but these were exactly my same thoughts. Where are the priorities? I recall years ago Pat tried really hard to get Anna into the Paris Debutante Ball which is only reserved for the GLOBAL cream of the crop - aristos, billionaire heiresses and the like. A move which imo at least didn't shape Anna's career in any form because she's a model. So what's the point of wasting all that money purely for image? I know many on here will say 'oh but it's their money, you don't get to tell them how to spend it', but by opening a public funding account they are putting their financial status under scrutiny. Vanity Fair readers had a lot to say about Carmen Dell'Orefice too when she blindly invested in a Ponzi scheme and lost all her savings.