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Prada F/W 09.10 Milan

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And those gladiator shoes and bags...beyond incredible. I also LOVE the boots with the garters.
 
After much contemplation, I've decided I really like this. The colors are beautiful, and I like the Spartan vibe. Plus, the cuts are just undeniably elegant yet simple. Yes, it's gorgeous in all its atrocity.
 
I have starting love prada few seasons ago, after that I didnt know a lot about Miuccia Work, but her collections are wonderful, the cut, the colors, the fabrics, she is amazing!
 
i for one quite liked this collection.
but then again i like most of miuccia's collections. even if they are not so good looking they are at least entertaining and surprising.
 
Do you think the "war" the world is dealing with (not just bankers greed, but greed in general) is not enough?


Oh no - I'm well aware that it's far more than enough. :(

What I meant was that this is not a physical war (yet) and even if it was, a pair of £4,000 fine leather waders, or £2,000 fine leather wellies, almost certainly, wouldn't enable us women to get through it.

So, they are merely symbolic and to symbolically reject greed, by charging £1,000s for a pair of wellies (however nice), seems somewhat of a contradiction, no?

BTW, in case there is any confusion, I used the word 'just' because I think most would agree that the Second World War was a very just war, whereas, most of the physical wars that have taken placed since have been far more open to interpretation, when it comes to how just they are thought to have been.


The war hasn't changed. It simply has gone from physical to mental.


Well, then it has changed, hasn't it? Certainly in terms of the clothes we need, anyway.

We're not, yet, bombing the heck out of each other and having to grow our own vegetables.

That may come later, of course, although one would hope not.


I think it's being illustrated here.


Yes I think you're right.

I didn't say that wasn't the inspiration, did I?


Like you stated before, empowerment starts from within. And sometimes empowerment is more about "cleaning house" than actually exerting your power, however it may be.


Yes, I know, but if I need to wear a pair of wellies, or waders (or anything else, for that matter), I'll wear them - because women who go for country walks, or do gardening after the rain, or whatever, have been wearing wellies for decades, already.

I will and have already used my own initiative to wear them whenever I have needed to; as I say, these are not new, so they're not at all scary to me.

That doesn't mean I think it's wrong to put them on the catwalk, at all (in fact, I think it's quite fun, as I said before), just that I don't need that to happen to 'allow' or 'enable' or 'empower' me to wear a piece of utility clothing I've worn in the rain and mud since I was old enough to walk.

My point (which I know I'm really labouring, but apparently I didn't make it adequately before) is that it is not empowering, for me, personally, to be given the 'permission' to wear the same clothing my great aunt wore in 1942 and that many, many, women in this country have worn ever since.

On a side note, my grandmother was one of the first (if not the first) women to wear trousers in public in her area and my mother was an artist and wore anything she liked, too, even if she got negative comments, so perhaps this defiant streak runs in my family?

Maybe some other women do need permission (and a Prada label) to wear wellies in public, I don't know?

If so, perhaps it is empowering to them? Just not to me - sorry. :)


If you think that the world running circular is a matter of regurgitation (which to you is disempowering), then you must be living an insanely innovative life.


When did I say I thought regurgitation was disempowering? :blink:

I said that I didn't find this collection empowering; not that I found it disempowering. :)

I also don't see anything wrong with regurgitation, at all; in fact, I rather like it.

I'm normally one of the first to defend a designer, when I see people complain they've seen something they've done 20+ years ago, as if it's a bad thing, as I think it can be part of the attraction of good fashion that it resurfaces down the line, like an old friend; particularly if you liked it the first time. :D

I really think you've got me all wrong, educo. :(

If you've got a few hours (LOL! :blush: ) please re-read my posts - I said I didn't hate this collection, at all, on the whole.

My point was that, as a woman, I don't, automatically, feel empowered, just because someone puts waders, wellies, wool suits, cave woman dresses and gladiatorial costumes on a catwalk.

That doesn't mean I don't like, or wouldn't wear, some of them. :)


When Prada said the party's over, come on, look around, the party IS over. Just like the party was over before each of the past wars occurred.


Actually, that's not strictly true.

Even after the Second World War was declared in 1939, there was a period in Britain called 'The False War' where things carried on much as usual.

Just because the party's over, doesn't mean that we have to dress like it's the end of the world, does it?

Not that I've been dressing like I'm going to a party, anyway. I'm far more eclectic than that.

Even if it was the end of the world, assuming they weren't in immediate danger, most people are magpies, they would see a disgarded shiny object (a relic from a happier time) and they'd grab it as they passed, even if it was of little, or no, actual use; just to make them feel a bit better.

You don't think looting didn't occur during the French Revolution, do you?

Or during any war in history, for that matter?

Also, I think this war analogy is slightly dubious, anyway, TBH.

This era, to me, is far more like a (global, this time) reprise of The Great Depression than it is a reprise of The Second World War (as I say, that may come later! :shock: ).

Therefore, the 'dirty thirties' elements of this collection are far more appropriate, really, IMO.


Do you think that a mental war is not justification enough to want to feel protected and strong? A mental war can be just as destructive as a physical one.


Yes, of course and actually, I always want to feel protected and strong, but these clothes won't do that any more than the clothes I already own and wear; in fact, in some cases, they'll do it less.

You'll, no doubt, hate me, as Prada didn't make them (although Matthew Williamson showed them) and most fashionistas despise them, I know, but I don't live in high heels, at all - I live in LFA ugg boots and at the first hint of snow, I don my enormous and beloved Sorrel snow boots (which I first discovered in British Vogue, years ago, BTW).

So, as I say, I have no problem, at all, with wellies on the catwalk. I'm just empowered enough, already, to wear this type of footwear, whenever and wherever I like (and have been for years). :D


We are in sobering times, and this always separates people into two camps: idealists and realists.

Prada is offering a realist point of view IMO. You cannot always count on reality to offer a pretty, "well-fitting", or empowering picture.


Which camp are you in, then?

I think you say it all - this is a picture of realism, but it is not actual realism, is it?

Back in 1942 it wasn't possible to make comfy, practical, clothing with Lycra; but now it is.

But Miuccia hasn't, has she?

She has regurgitated a look that symbolises the practicality of another age, without ensuring it will actually be practical for the modern woman to wear.

The woman who buys most of this is not a realist, IMO, she is merely a wealthy spectator, who is trying to project that picture to others; which is absolutely fine, but it is not true realism, is it?
 
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Incidentally, I really like most of the accessories, here - the velvet clutches are gorgeous, the gladiator shoes are very cool and the 'wellies' look beautifully made and comfortable. :)

Would I buy them to empower me/show what a realist I am? No. Would I like to own them? Yes.
 
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Well, chloehandbags, what I'm getting I'm getting from you is that you don't think women would feel empowered by wearing these clothes.

I would agree, in that I don't know if a woman would feel empowered and strong by wearing a fur vest, but to me that doesn't really matter. For me, the runway show is where the message is presented, not in the showroom. On the runway, the gladiator flapper dresses look vicious...hanging on the rack, they'll look like beautiful leather dresses with lots of great embellishing. And in a way, all designer clothes are like that. A statement is made on the runway...the clothes, the casting, the hair and make up, the lighting, setting, music...it all says something, but when broken down into pieces in the stores...they become clothes. Designers are artists and businessmen/women...they make their artistic statement on the runway, and they become businessmen/women when the clothes hit the stores.

Does that make any sense?:blink::lol:
 
Well, chloehandbags, what I'm getting I'm getting from you is that you don't think women would feel empowered by wearing these clothes.


What on earth gave you that idea, dior? :lol:


I would agree, in that I don't know if a woman would feel empowered and strong by wearing a fur vest, but to me that doesn't really matter. For me, the runway show is where the message is presented, not in the showroom. On the runway, the gladiator flapper dresses look vicious...hanging on the rack, they'll look like beautiful leather dresses with lots of great embellishing.

And in a way, all designer clothes are like that. A statement is made on the runway...the clothes, the casting, the hair and make up, the lighting, setting, music...it all says something, but when broken down into pieces in the stores...they become clothes.


True. :)


Designers are artists and businessmen/women...they make their artistic statement on the runway, and they become businessmen/women when the clothes hit the stores.

Does that make any sense?:blink::lol:


Absolutely and ITA. :D
 
i dont really care if its a potatoe sac,, if its prada.. i would feel empowered... its like a state of mind :lol: ahaah
 
i love this collection. one of her best these past couple of seasons.
 
although this collection is somewhat unexpected, but i personally think this is very fresh! i guess 'spartan chic' is the only way to survive this coming fall season. :P
 
The whole greek gladiator aspect was an amazing reference and she executed it brilliantly.
 
Prada's Runway of the Damned

By Colleen Nika

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UacekDn14K4

For Fall/Winter 2009, Miuccia Prada saw red. After bemusing brand loyalists with the rumpled "gold foil" frocks and tattered drawstring blouses for Spring 2009, the matron of dishabille chic offered belted, low-cut hybrid daydress and outerwear options in red, black, and grey. But don't be fooled: while an appearance of off-key normalcy may be restored, something unsettling lurks: you could see it, in Milan, in the model's eyes.

Moody makeup matched the clothing's rubescent color palette: Eyelids were painted rust and copper, and the pale waifish whent to literal extremes: every face was powdered to cadaverous perfection. Hairstyles, meanwhile, were fashioned into psychotic up-dos—think grizzled top-knots a la modern-day Miss Havisham. And the most ominous aspect was that the models burned with an innate, expressionless malice, bringing to mind the ill-willed youths of Wolf Rilla's cult sci-fi classic Village of the Damned (mind you: not John Carpenter's 1995 remake, although we've seen some fearsome bowl cuts on the runways, too). We imagine those maleficent little girls—unencumbered by nourishment, sunlight, and a human soul—would grow up to look like something like Miuccia's zombie queens.
InterviewMagazine.com
 
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