Valentino Haute Couture S/S 2010 Paris

[masquerade]

Fashion is always about NOW, not what they've done in the past or what they will do, but NOW....If Valentino does an AMAZING couture next season, then that will definitely make everyone forget about this collection. I don't necessarily hate this collection, but it doesn't have that Valentino signature appeal.

This is actually their 3rd haute couture collection. The first two collections, I actually liked...

this is their first collection where they tried something different, where they experimented. in the past they were just working from the valentino archives and i don't think that is worthy of haute couture. it was just boring imitations of what Mr. Garavani did. Personally, I like that they tried to do something different, even if it didn't turn out well.

A lot of people also have initial negative reactions to collections that they grow to appreciate. Look at any Prada thread and you will see people going from love to hate and hate to love. Sure, you can immediately judge a collection, but I think its also really important to look at a collection in the greater picture.

 

[Salvatore]

Honestly, I thought his remark of "ridiculous circus" is directed at everyone freaking out over the collection.

"We support our designers so we want to separate ourselves from all the controversy."

No . I don't think you read correctly .

"We have always supported the new designers and we love them, but this time we have to distance ourselves from this ridiculous circus.”

'But' is the keyword here . He meant that they always were ready to support no matter how good or bad, but in this case, he would prefer the Valentino name not be associated with what came down that catwalk . And furthermore, if he was siding with the designers, why would he remove his statement . So no, it's not directed towards everyone freaking out .

 

[tigerrouge]

To me, his use of the word 'circus' - a show that someone puts on - made me think he was talking about the collection rather than the comments. If he'd referred to 'ridiculous reactions' I would have got the other sense of what he might be saying.

 

[Salvatore]

To me, his use of the word 'circus' - a show that someone puts on - made me think he was talking about the collection rather than the comments. If he'd referred to 'ridiculous reactions' I would have got the other sense of what he might be saying.

Yes, thanks .

 

[Merveille]

No . I don't think you read correctly .

"We have always supported the new designers and we love them, but this time we have to distance ourselves from this ridiculous circus.”

'But' is the keyword here . He meant that they always were ready to support no matter how good or bad, but in this case, he would prefer the Valentino name not be associated with what came down that catwalk . And furthermore, if he was siding with the designers, why would he remove his statement . So no, it's not directed towards everyone freaking out .

Lol, okay, I didn't realize you were his publicist.
Circus is frequently used in describing the media but that is my opinion. It is a little silly to think you KNOW what he meant , I think it could be interpreted both ways.

 

[disco54]

^^^ He was clear on what he meant , Salvatore has it right 100% , no it cant be interpreted any other way because the statement speaks for its self . He was clearly not happy with the show.

 

[Salvatore]

Lol, okay, I didn't realize you were his publicist.
Circus is frequently used in describing the media but that is my opinion. It is a little silly to think you KNOW what he meant , I think it could be interpreted both ways.

No, I'm not his publicist ... but I am an intelligent human being who used his skill of reading comprehension . The others who read it got the same thing . It is absolutely obvious what was meant otherwise if it was favourable to the designers, why would he remove it ? And furthermore, if you look around, the press really did not slam it so obviously that was not what 'ridiculous circus' applied to in this case .

You can interpret it all the many ways you want, yes, but through reading you can see what he meant . It was not coded .

 

[Spike413]

I am shocked at the amount of hatred and anger over this collection. It isn't great, but I don't think it's the worst collection ever like some people are making it out to be. It isn't Valentino, IA, but when Nicolas started at Balenciaga it wasn't Balenciaga and when Tom Ford started at YSL it was definitely not YSL. Ricardo Tisci's first collections at Givenchy were panned.

I am not saying these guys are on the level of those designers, but this is like their second couture collection and the first collection where they are trying something different. There are a lot of missteps and that is where I see the problem. They didn't do it well enough and people are all over them. But I don't think this is the death of the label. There are some great pieces and some terrible pieces. I think that by the time some of these event dresses make their way onto the red carpet, people will come around to them a bit. The other stuff? They can work on it.

ITA with you. A week later and I still maintain that this wasn't the catastrophe that so many have made it out to be. No, it wasn't as good as it could have or should have been, but their drive to do something that's actually current and radically different is a positive thing. And thank you for reminding everyone that Chiuri and Piccioli are not the first and will not be the last designers ever to make a clean break from the legacy of the house they inherited.

I think the real issue here boils down to the fact that a lot of people are a) still stuck in the phase of resiting any change after Valentino stepped down or b) are still upset about the scandal that erupted at the time that these two designers were appointed. I doubt if half the people who have been bemoaning the death of the Valentino name actually have any strong emotional bond to the legacy that Garavani created. And for everyone preaching about how haute couture is supposed to be ahead of the rest of fashion, that may be true for some other houses, but I really don't think you can use that as an argument about Valentino. The label wasn't ahead of the curve before Chiuri and Piccioli came along, so why are the expectations suddenly higher now that they're in charge?

 

[Merveille]

No, I'm not his publicist ... but I am an intelligent human being who used his skill of reading comprehension . The others who read it got the same thing . It is absolutely obvious what was meant otherwise if it was favourable to the designers, why would he remove it ? And furthermore, if you look around, the press really did not slam it so obviously that was not what 'ridiculous circus' applied to in this case .

You can interpret it all the many ways you want, yes, but through reading you can see what he meant . It was not coded .

Snarky insult *check*
Air of superiority *check*
Condesending *check*

Mmmm, I love a good dose of pretentious lecture

 

[Merveille]

ITA with you. A week later and I still maintain that this wasn't the catastrophe that so many have made it out to be. No, it wasn't as good as it could have or should have been, but their drive to do something that's actually current and radically different is a positive thing. And thank you for reminding everyone that Chiuri and Piccioli are not the first and will not be the last designers ever to make a clean break from the legacy of the house they inherited.

I think the real issue here boils down to the fact that a lot of people are a) still stuck in the phase of resiting any change after Valentino stepped down or b) are still upset about the scandal that erupted at the time that these two file:///C:/Program%20Files/BitLord/Downloads/Extract/New%20Folder/Randy%20Blue%201516%20-%20Chris%20Rockway%20and%20Leo%20Giamani.wmvdesigners were appointed. I doubt if half the people who have been bemoaning the death of the Valentino name actually have any strong emotional bond to the legacy that Garavani created. And for everyone preaching about how haute couture is supposed to be ahead of the rest of fashion, that may be true for some other houses, but I really don't think you can use that as an argument about Valentino. The label wasn't ahead of the curve before Chiuri and Piccioli came along, so why are the expectations suddenly higher now that they're in charge?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[ponytrot]

It's a bit too edgy for Valentino's aesthetic.

But that's the point!!! Its NOT "edgy". Edgy means its cutting edge, its on the forefront of a new vision, techniques, silhouettes etc. This is just uninspired rehashing (dare I say plagiarism!) of older collections by other designers (ie. Rodarte, Fendi, Burberry etc) and regurgitating it!

They're shameless following if not directly copying from other designers, certainly NOT doing anything new or edgy!

And that's why I despise it so particularly. If they HAD dome something truly original and it flopped than that's more acceptable than doing completely unoriginal and STILL failing miserably!

 

[Salvatore]

Snarky insult *check*
Air of superiority *check*
Condesending *check*

Mmmm, I love a good dose of pretentious lecture

Interpret how you want .

Spike, the biggest thing is that I was holding Valentino and company to what they said for the reason they fired Facchinetti : she strayed too far from the original feel of the house . So I expected these designers to stay a little closer to what Valentino was about, but instead they did this which is way further than Facchinetti went who is a talented designer out of a job .

If they would have said something like 'we want to completely change the house' from the start, then this collection would have made a lot more sense . It was such a quick left that no one expected . Like I said in a previous post here, it's not so much that it's bad as much as it's shocking under the house of Valentino . The last haute couture collection they did was just enough of Valentino to please loyal customers, but new and fresh enough to capture new attention . With this they most likely have alienated a lot of their faithful customers .

So all I am saying is that it's just kind of weird they were hired to replace someone who did not stay close enough to the core DNA of the brand and then they turn this out .

 

[Chris_Couture05]

Interpret how you want .

Spike, the biggest thing is that I was holding Valentino and company to what they said for the reason they fired Facchinetti : she strayed too far from the original feel of the house . So I expected these designers to stay a little closer to what Valentino was about, but instead they did this which is way further than Facchinetti went who is a talented designer out of a job .

If they would have said something like 'we want to completely change the house' from the start, then this collection would have made a lot more sense . It was such a quick left that no one expected . Like I said in a previous post here, it's not so much that it's bad as much as it's shocking under the house of Valentino . The last haute couture collection they did was just enough of Valentino to please loyal customers, but new and fresh enough to capture new attention . With this they most likely have alienated a lot of their faithful customers .

So all I am saying is that it's just kind of weird they were hired to replace someone who did not stay close enough to the core DNA of the brand and then they turn this out .

I have to say I agree with all the previous posts u have made Salvatore. Also I think that their goal is to make this house younger that what it used to be and thats fine. But this collection was just bad. Although there were a few nice peices whats the point of calling this Haute Couture when it could be very easily ready to wear. Also another thing that people keep pointing out is that the reason that we dont like this collection is because we are not used to the new designers and that is totally not the point. Alessandra collections were a bit different and no one had a problem with it and yet she was fired. The fact is it these designers have completly strayed away from the ideals on which the house was based on, pure elegance. And from looking at the pre fall photos I dont see this getting any better...just cheaper. I think they need to re-evaluate what house they are designing for, and the Valentino group needs to take a hard look at who they are paying.

 

[mikeijames]

i'm fascinated by the fact that this thread has garnered 22,495 views in a week. CLEARLY there are a lot of people interested in initial reactions...most of which remain negative.

 

[Spike413]

Interpret how you want .

Spike, the biggest thing is that I was holding Valentino and company to what they said for the reason they fired Facchinetti : she strayed too far from the original feel of the house . So I expected these designers to stay a little closer to what Valentino was about, but instead they did this which is way further than Facchinetti went who is a talented designer out of a job .

If they would have said something like 'we want to completely change the house' from the start, then this collection would have made a lot more sense . It was such a quick left that no one expected . Like I said in a previous post here, it's not so much that it's bad as much as it's shocking under the house of Valentino . The last haute couture collection they did was just enough of Valentino to please loyal customers, but new and fresh enough to capture new attention . With this they most likely have alienated a lot of their faithful customers .

So all I am saying is that it's just kind of weird they were hired to replace someone who did not stay close enough to the core DNA of the brand and then they turn this out .

I don't disagree with you on anything you've said, and definitely one of my complaints would be that this collection was really jarring coming from them. I don't think it was entirely smart of them to abandon the romantic decay and youthful sexiness they introduced with their last two collections. And I there is plenty of room for improvement for these two designers, especially in couture. But I think they may just turn out to be exactly what the house needs if they can develop their own voice and stop trying so hard with their haute couture.

I have to say I agree with all the previous posts u have made Salvatore. Also I think that their goal is to make this house younger that what it used to be and thats fine. But this collection was just bad. Although there were a few nice peices whats the point of calling this Haute Couture when it could be very easily ready to wear. Also another thing that people keep pointing out is that the reason that we dont like this collection is because we are not used to the new designers and that is totally not the point. Alessandra collections were a bit different and no one had a problem with it and yet she was fired. The fact is it these designers have completly strayed away from the ideals on which the house was based on, pure elegance. And from looking at the pre fall photos I dont see this getting any better...just cheaper. I think they need to re-evaluate what house they are designing for, and the Valentino group needs to take a hard look at who they are paying.

Actually, I have to correct you there. I'm not sure if you were a member back when Alessandra showed the handful of collections she made or not, but plenty of people on the forum were bitching up a storm back then saying exactly what they're saying now; that it wasn't Valentino. Let's face it, her work didn't stray as far from the house's DNA as the current designers' work does. By comparison it could almost seem safe and respectful.

So you can't tell me that a group of people have the exact same response to such dissimilar collections because they're being completely objective about judging them.

 

[Salvatore]

I don't disagree with you on anything you've said, and definitely one of my complaints would be that this collection was really jarring coming from them. I don't think it was entirely smart of them to abandon the romantic decay and youthful sexiness they introduced with their last two collections. And I there is plenty of room for improvement for these two designers, especially in couture. But I think they may just turn out to be exactly what the house needs if they can develop their own voice and stop trying so hard with their haute couture.

Actually, I have to correct you there. I'm not sure if you were a member back when Alessandra showed the handful of collections she made or not, but plenty of people on the forum were bitching up a storm back then saying exactly what they're saying now; that it wasn't Valentino. Let's face it, her work didn't stray as far from the house's DNA as the current designers' work does. By comparison it could almost seem safe and respectful.

So you can't tell me that a group of people have the exact same response to such dissimilar collections because they're being completely objective about judging them.

Spike, you said it correctly . They're definitely trying too hard to impress . Clearly they have a voice and it's a good one . But the problem they missed with this collection is that it's a big imitation of what they think haute couture is supposed to be as well as forcing the avant-garde/fresh factor . Sad thing is that it came across as neither (kind of the same problem I have with Galliano lately) .

The moment they relax and get into refining the techniques and ideas, they will make some really great collections .

 

[tanii94]

This collection is so bad it's funny. Wonder how AW 2010 will turn out....

 

[Chris_Couture05]

Actually, I have to correct you there. I'm not sure if you were a member back when Alessandra showed the handful of collections she made or not, but plenty of people on the forum were bitching up a storm back then saying exactly what they're saying now; that it wasn't Valentino. Let's face it, her work didn't stray as far from the house's DNA as the current designers' work does. By comparison it could almost seem safe and respectful.

So you can't tell me that a group of people have the exact same response to such dissimilar collections because they're being completely objective about judging them.

Ok I'll give u that, u make a very good point. What I was trying to say is that I dont see why Alessandra was fired for her slightly different collections and yet we see this and its being allowed to go on. I also believe that I misspoke when I said that no one had a problem with it lol. And I like the point u made about her collections being seen as respectfull of the house because in truth they were, or atleast there were in comparision to this mess.

 

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