Christian Dior HC F/W 12.13 Paris

[EnModeArtiste]

Are you kidding me ?! Same shapes, same colors palette, same spirit. Sorry but Dior now, is like Chanel before Karl, making a lot money, but stopped inspiring people. R.I.P.

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[KemAlnagdy]

it seems that he studied this thread http://forums.thefashionspot.com/f116/1905-1957-christian-dior-50092.html mixed it with he has always been doing , and that was the result

 

[TianSoFine]

I can see a bit of classic Dior here but mostly a lot of Jil Sander. I know couture isn't all about theatrics and I think a lot of people are making inaccurate assumptions here that people who don't see it as very couture just think couture's about theatrics. Because I think a lot of the collection could easily pass as high-quality ready-to-wear. A lot of dresses (to me at least) don't look like a team in a studio spent 200 hours making each one.

 

[Fatalefashion]

I think everyone knew it, is nothing new about the style of Raf Simons

 

[xdieselx]

If anyone bothered checking Christian Dior's archives, then you would say it's more Christian Dior than Jil Sander. Ugh. I think it would do better if people viewed the archives. Sheesh.

Even the coats are an homage to Christian Dior!! So for that, bravo Raf.

 

[HeatherAnne]

It doesn't have to be over-the-top, foolish, and forced to be haute couture; it's about the silhouetting, innovation, and detailing, kudos to Raf for recognizing that. This is utterly elegant and exciting.

 

[Selfportraitgrl]

Exactly! I think everyone is far used to there being such a spectacle around Couture that the true sense of what it is all about is completely lost, due to the era of John Galliano, I'm not saying I never enjoyed that period of time, but I think things are taking a swift direction back to minimalism with houses such as Céline, Hermés, Jil Sander being at the fore front of it.

This was Couture at it's best, the simplicity, the cut, the fit, the shapes, it was to die for!

I can understand the comparison to his work at Jil Sander, but that is what his aesthetic is, it's not what Jil did, it's what Raf does and he can carry on doing that if this is what we're likely to see each season, it was truly gorgeous.

You summed up my thoughts perfectly! And much nicer than I would have said them... I'm finding I'm quite opinionated when it comes to this issue!

And I see Christian Dior FINALLY. Dior with Christian was all about these elegant and sometimes over the top volumes.
Galliano era is over. No more theatrical pieces. That was not what Dior was about. Dior was about this:
http://forums.thefashionspot.com/f116/1905-1957-christian-dior-50092.html

Indeed.

And as for all the Raf for Jil Sander comparisons, I mean, what did you expect? Did you expect him to put his own take on the Galliano for Dior aesthetic? No, I think it makes sense that rather than trying to twist his own aesthetic to fit the notion of what some folks think the Dior aesthetic should be, he's twisting the Dior aesthetic to fit his own (all while paying homage to Christian Dior). Isn't that what designers do? Not to mention, he's in a transitional phase, so of course some of his first works for Dior are going to resemble his last works for Jil Sander.

 

[Aja Mok]

I miss Bill..
very so boring!

 

[Selfportraitgrl]

Did I mention I'm a big fan of Raf Simons?

 

[rockangel]

post #81 said it all I don't care about galliano, raf o bill...this is just ugly and boring. and screams Jil Sander

 

[Zazie]

It's irritating to hear all the remarks about this not being "haute couture"...please look the term up - it doesn't say bugle beads, rainbow sequins, 10 layers of fabrics of different colours and textures and hats the size of small chandeliers. Get the definition right before offering an opinion.

What impresses me is the way Raf Simons built up the voluminous silhouette of Dior's "New Look", a very retro 50s look but he made them modern by offering abstract versions. The construction of the shapes, and there are so many variations of them, are incredible, I would be curious to see what sort of construction and structures went underneath the pannier skirts. The other couture touch was the immaculate bodice that tightened with a non-existent corset. The materials were luxurious, though subtler than the loud decorations at other shows.

Couture isn't about over-decorated gowns, it's all about the SKILLS by accomplished designers, the expertise of the staff and the petits mains of an atelier. The result could be very simple, but the work that went into it, not.

Still, I do hope he picks up a different vibe for his next Dior collection, and redefine fashion for Dior what NG did for Balenciaga.

 

[roberto wqf]

^indeed

 

[Pradable]

nowfashion

 

[lepetitcouturier]

I think this collection was okay. It's really hard to get over that the theatrics of the Galliano era is over. It's difficult, for sure. But I liked this collection a lot. The tailoring and silhouettes were impeccable. I could see the stiff tailoring that Dior himself did in his day. He embraced the hourglass figure, using a small bosom, cinching it in at the waist, and then exploding at the waist and that's what Raf did here, not to mention those AMAZING peplum tops. But sadly it isn't, and never will be Galliano again.

 

[Kenzofanatic]

I can see a bit of classic Dior here but mostly a lot of Jil Sander. I know couture isn't all about theatrics and I think a lot of people are making inaccurate assumptions here that people who don't see it as very couture just think couture's about theatrics. Because I think a lot of the collection could easily pass as high-quality ready-to-wear. A lot of dresses (to me at least) don't look like a team in a studio spent 200 hours making each one.

That's my problem, too. Maybe it's because he only had 3 months left to design this. Or maybe close-ups show something different. But my first impression was: Too simple to impress me.

 

[TianSoFine]

It's irritating to hear all the remarks about this not being "haute couture"...please look the term up - it doesn't say bugle beads, rainbow sequins, 10 layers of fabrics of different colours and textures and hats the size of small chandeliers. Get the definition right before offering an opinion.

But it is about hundreds of hours of work in the studio, which I'm not seeing. If it's about tailoring, okay, but it's not like we haven't seen ready-to-wear tailored at this level. I know my fashion history, tyvm, and this collection still seems quite ready-to-wear to me.

 

[Nepenthes]

If anyone bothered checking Christian Dior's archives, then you would say it's more Christian Dior than Jil Sander. Ugh. I think it would do better if people viewed the archives. Sheesh.

Even the coats are an homage to Christian Dior!! So for that, bravo Raf.

THIS!

At least, if you're gonna act like a "fashion expert" and judge like there's no tomorrow, do your homework first.

 

[Hermes1922]

I don't like it it's lacking that wow factor , couture is supposed to be something more special and extraordinary

 

[jmrmartinho]

This is simply Christian Dior.
The people that are saying that this is not Dior seriously know what Dior is?
This is the closest any designer was from the original.
The cuts are genious, that dresses are genious.
I loved the trousers because they gave a really modern touch to the colection.
I do think that this is couture, you dont need drama, crazy volume dresses and big hair and make-up to do couture. You simply need magical hands, strong hands to make something perfect. And this is pretty close from perfect!
My only problem is the way the color pallet reminds me his last colection in Jil Sander.
But what about I love about this colection is te way the dresses are so simple but I cant get enough of it, and I open and close the nowfashion tab just to see how that dress looks again. And that my friend is a show!

 

[Creative]

That’s what you have when you use Jil Sander to vilely lobby for the main position at Dior…

It looks like a crude interpretation of what a 2 years old boy would do if he was asked to be Raf at Dior. I knew it was going to be bad, but not that bad! It just feels so forced, silly and pretentious, like if he was trying to look Dior…

I can’t get over how TERRIBLE this is.