Victoria's Secret Fashion Show 2008 - Please see first post before posting*UPDATED

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couldn't have said it better myself, HighMaintenance. IMHO, I think KK turned VS down. You can see in the fashion show that she really shines through. Adriana and Ale need to teach these girls how it's done.

Honestly, if Ale gets passed over for the FB and it is given to Doutzen, Marisa, or Miranda then hell should just freeze over.
 
Honestly, if Ale gets passed over for the FB and it is given to Doutzen, Marisa, or Miranda then hell should just freeze over.

I agree to an extent. Ale deserves the FB next year. If it's given to Doutzen I would be mad but I could live with it. (I love Doutzen but even I think the FB should be given to Ale hands down). If it's given to Miranda i'd laugh. It's a possibility they could actually give it to Marisa. Just because the average American people really like her.
 
The fantasy bra used to go to their biggest supermodel...but that changed in 2002 when KK got the bra...taht's when the whole thing fell apart because in no way should that bra have went to her, she wasn't an angel and at that time Gisele, Heidi and Adriana were they're biggest faces as well as Tyra, all of them had recieved it except for Adriana who was pretty famous at the time but also kind of famous because of Lenny, the bra should have easily went to her. After that the bra started to go to girls who got it a second time and etc hecne started to fall...then finally the angel who deserved it finally got it but didn't get the recognition for it she deserved. So honestly I won't be suprised if Ale doesn't get it...she deserves it no doubt but I won't be suprised.

As for the angels I agree Adriana, Ale and KK EARNED their wings, the others it's pretty much just been given to them. Now that it's pretty much known KK is gone Ale and Adriana are going to have to stand their ground and make sure like you said to show these others how it's done because these others I don't think really have a clue. It needs to go back to the way it was prior to 2004 where it was the best of the best.
 
I don't think Ale gets it next year. I think it will be Doutzen, Marisa or Miranda even though Ale is the only one who deserves it.

Let's go back to 2004 and see where the hell it went wrong with the Angels.
 
I have to attend to this Emanuela conversation, too: I wouldn`t use words generic beauty of her, what does that even mean? To me she`s more a classic beauty. My problem with her being an angel is that she was quite boring at the show, but that`s only my opinion. Sessilee has that energy, but I´m not sure of her either being angel material, she was nice addition to cast. And as an angel Emanuela should be more glowing and radiant. But as many of you have said, there are already too many angels, so the meaning of that honor has eased. They`re not as the most supers of the supers as the used to be anyway. To me Adriana, Alessandra, Karolina, Heidi and Miranda would be enough.


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I agree, the title of Angel is thrown around like a frisby these days. I think it really lessens the value of being an angel. I think it would be best if VS made sub-division type angels. Like Behati and Emanuela would be, i dunno, Jr. Angels representing Pink? lol


While Heidi, Karolina, Adriana, Alessandra, Miranda & Selita would be the Angels of Victoria's Secret. (I am still confused over Marissa :blink:) In my opinion, I think the next Angel should have been Noemie Lenoir. I mean hello- this girl is Angel material, she is drop dead gorgeous and she has a pizzazz personality!
 
I don't think Ale gets it next year. I think it will be Doutzen, Marisa or Miranda even though Ale is the only one who deserves it.

Let's go back to 2004 and see where the hell it went wrong with the Angels.


Oh I forgot Doutzen!:doh: I am so happy she is an official Angel!:D

As far as going back to 2004, I would say 07 when Marissa became Angel- I mean seriously, is she Angel material? I think not. Her walk is atrocious and she doesn't really stand out.
 
Oh I forgot Doutzen!:doh: I am so happy she is an official Angel!:D

As far as going back to 2004, I would say 07 when Marissa became Angel- I mean seriously, is she Angel material? I think not. Her walk is atrocious and she doesn't really stand out.

Deslin, I completely, completely agree with your last few posts....Let's get back to classy Angels....the girls who really know how to work it. And, as I said several pages back, there are entirely TOO many Angels. It's not even a compliment any more. It's no particular honor. I don't know who is exactly behind picking them but they are dead wrong and thinking with something besides their brain, IMHO:yuk:
 
Thanks god VS hired Marisa as an Angel and not that.... Noemi lol. Apparently they know better.
 
Speaking of Noemi ... when she kisses Jorge Moreno during the second segment, the music doesn't stop , even in the moment of the kiss. How's that possible!? .... Oh, wait ... lipsynching!
 
^ let's drop the lipsynching issue. NO ONE can tell us if they were lipsynching or not. One says they were lipsynching. Another says is was bad editing and if i'm not mistaken I think they always tape the show twice, maybe they edit that part in the show I mean the whole editing in this years show was just bad!!! so don't jump into any conclusions on that issue..and drop it.. it's getting a little annoying cause no one can give us the right answer...so we all keep speculating and dropping comments like OH lipsynching, you just don't know!

As far for the Angels. I don't know what they are thinking at VS-headquarters but they'd better drop the term Angels and just name them contract-models. Cause the term Angels really means nothing anymore..
 
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It was my first (at last) post connected with lipsynching. You know, if everyone else wrote opinion about it i think i also have the right to share mine.
IMO, in some cases you can tell exactly whether the performer lipsynched or not, and in some cases you just can't.
I hope it's clear that I'm not here to start an argue or something.
 
i have to agree with many of the recent posts RE: The Angel lineup.

as a fan of VS for years and years, i can definitely relate to the feeling that the status of being an Angel has certainly been lowered.

when i think of the first Angels -- i think of that picture with Tyra, Daniela, Helena, Karen & Stephanie ... all in their t-shirts ... "spoiled Angel" for Stephanie or "Nice Angel" for Tyra, etc.

Those models were SUPERMODELS. they had worked their ***es off in the fashion industry (*or at least in the modelling industry in general, even if it was more commercial*) and now they finally got to be the esteemed faces of VICTORIA'S SECRET. but what's more, is that it was really these women who MADE the "Angels" notion as classy and significant as it has become. suddenly it was a real thing to be the face of the Victoria's Secret brand. and since the brand has grown, it's become even more lucrative.

when Heidi and Laetitia were introduced, they were already very famous, and being the new VS girls was like a stamp on their worth. they both became household names (*Heidi moreso here in North America, but Laetitia became very famous in her own right*). then we had Gisele and Adriana and Alessandra. i think this is sort of where it changed a bit. see -- with Gisele, she was not only incredibly hot, but was also THE top fashion model on the planet. a true, genuine Supermodel. AND what's perhaps more important is that she was excellent at promotions. her personality was perfectly alligned with the brand and she made a great spokesmodel. Ale and Adriana were both insanely gorgeous and really helped move the "brazilian wave", but truly neither of them were so great once they had to speak english. and so the brand was, IMO, damaged in some capacity, because it's spokesmodels weren't as relatable to the American public. this is why Tyra and Heidi remained the top Angels for soooooo long - because they were the ones who were so good at publicity in america.

it didn't help that it was also around this time (*2000 - 2003, approx*) that the celebrity craze had started to really pick up insane steam and models were all but ignored by the general MALE demographic of the audience. with the exception of a few standards (again, Heidi, Tyra, Rebecca Romijn, Gisele, etc). at a time when VS really needed spokesmodels who were able to create a bit of controversy and publicity in America, they just didn't have it. Gisele was the singular exception and she's become more successful than any model before her.

suddenly it's 2005 and they add Selita, Izabel and Karolina. well, Selita is a great spokesmodel. she is gorgeous, vibrant and fabulous with the press. but who in the hell was she before she signed that contract? she had zero prior successes and so it was like she was plucked from nowhere and thus the status of the brand was damaged again. Izabel was the exact same. HOT, certainly, and actually quite endearing in interviews, but again an entire newbie and so she wasn't carrying any sort of heightened significance or weight with her when she was signed.

Karolina was a true supermodel at that point already. she had dominated the fashion industry and had been working for years. she's wonderful in interviews and obviously very hot. the mistake i think was that she was signed 2 years too late. she was at her modelling peak in about 2003. that's when she should've become an Angel. by 2005, she wasn't doing much else in the fashion industry aside from VS. and also it was around this time that the brand itself started to make a swing towards the "SEXY! SEXY! SEXY!" thing with all the PINK and the candy lingerie and all that tacky **** that didn't connect with her as a model, it actually detracted from her appeal. so while i don't think she damaged the brand, i would argue that the brand damaged her.

it did help that by this time, people had gotten familiar with Adriana and Ale and they had improved dramatically in terms of their promotional skills. they grew in popularity and developed huge fanbases and have become famous in their own rights by now. the problem is that they are truly THE faces of the brand at this point and neither of them are as famous as the most relevant Angels in the past (Stephanie, Helena, Tyra, Heidi, Gisele).

and to add to it, they added FOUR new Angels to the mix. Miranda (who had done NOTHING beforehand), Doutzen (who is trying to bring the class a la KK but who doesn't have a name outside the fashion industry yet), Marisa (who is a very successful and famous commercial model, and who is an American, but who seems to almost shy away from the spotlight) and now Emanuela (hot, but young and unknown).

at this point, there are WAY too many Angels, so the status is lessened and the brand is damaged. plus, of the Angels, very few have been relevant in the fashion industry (*read: NONE [presuming KK is actually gone] -- with the exception of Doutzen, possibly, but really how much has she really done*) and very few are well known to the American public.
 
It was my first (at last) post connected with lipsynching. You know, if everyone else wrote opinion about it i think i also have the right to share mine.
IMO, in some cases you can tell exactly whether the performer lipsynched or not, and in some cases you just can't.
I hope it's clear that I'm not here to start an argue or something.

It wasn't a personal attack Prescott. A few pages back there was someone who also wrote something like: oh they were lipsynching which lead to an arguement on this thread. At last we dropped the subject cause it was all speculations!

And yes I agree in some cases you do... but not when the show has been edited and taped twice. you simply don't know.. what they've done.

so I'm sorry Prescott it wasn't personal
 
It wasn't a personal attack Prescott. A few pages back there was someone who also wrote something like: oh they were lipsynching which lead to an arguement on this thread. At last we dropped the subject cause it was all speculations!

And yes I agree in some cases you do... but not when the show has been edited and taped twice. you simply don't know.. what they've done.

so I'm sorry Prescott it wasn't personal

Yes, I've read those posts and I rather choosed not to be involved too much. And I agree that in the case of VS where - like you said - everything is edited, we can't be sure.
I believe it's a shame that we debate on lipsynching because this thing should not exist at all.

Btw, no hurt feelings...


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I'm getting really nervous, because I have posted like 6-7 posts and the number of the posts under my avatar increased 1. And it's not the first time it happaned. Can some link me a topic where I can report this?)
 
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Well, happycanadian , the whole post is pretty much true. I think you put the things right and I have to agree with them.
So we can only hope the VS as a brand will be at its peak again very soon! :)
 
I`m afraid that VS will never get back to what it used to be in its golden times. Simply because there are no many models in the industry who can be compared to true-supermodels. IMO there haven`t been one since Gisele`s era ( KK very near ). Business is full of new plain models, anyone doesn`t have either precense, body or face. They come on go, stay few years in the market etc.. There`s no time or place to grow to be a supermodel anymore, models are immediately classified to high-fashion and commercial. I hope they`ll find more girls like Doutzen, but not even she can get even near what Tyra, Helena & co. were. I hope my post makes any sense to you. Prescott: I think I`ve had same problem, sent many posts but sometimes the number in profile just doesn`t increase..
 
i agree with happycanadian also...even though i dont know the history of vs as well as you do, it's disappointing they're just signing girls left and right and even girls who aren't officail angels, like behati, are getting angel profiles put up on the site...and with regards to emanuella, i think she's beautiful and has real potential, but i think its way too soon for her to move up to angel status...she's young- like 18 or something right?- she has plenty of time to work for the company and make a name for herself before becoming an angel....i mean honestly if they drop kk, they really don't need to be adding anyone else for a while- doutzen signed a few months ago, what's the point of adding someone else already, the line up is changing too much and audiences don't have time to get used to the current one and identify with the girls before adding a new- and in emanuella's case, unknown face
 
... the line up is changing too much and audiences don't have time to get used to the current one and identify with the girls before adding a new- and in emanuella's case, unknown face

Exactly!
And the problem is that Ed Razek and the whole company always say that they only hire or promote a model to an Angel if she has been working for them for many years. You know what i mean? It's just strangle that they tend to spread this view and at the same time they hire new, practically unknown models as an Angel. It doesn't make any sense...
 
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