Victoria's Secret Fashion Show 2008 - Please see first post before posting*UPDATED

[Boomer]

I hope you're right- but I've never seen anything like this...


Limited profit tumbles 96% as sales unravel
By Andria Cheng, MarketWatch
EST Feb. 26, 2009

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Limited Brands Inc., owner of Victoria's Secret and Bath & Body Works, said Thursday that fourth-quarter profit tumbled 96%, hurt by increased discounts in the face of the recession.
The company also gave first-quarter and annual forecasts that missed Wall Street expectations, sending shares lower.
Like other retailers, Limited brands inc said it's controlling inventory and expenses conservatively. It said it's reducing its home office headcount by about 400 employees and is suspending pay increases for salaried employees. Capital spending this year also is forecast to decline by more than half.

 

[michelabella]

that was all over the news in my hometown, ( I live 2 seconds away from the main headquarters)

they let ALOT of people go, but I hope it won't affect the show

 

[CoutureChic]

Must remember Limited Brands (that branch) while in the large scheme of things is the same company they aren't that closely related. 400 in the main scheme of things is not really a lot, the head brand is in Columbus Ohio, and VS's main head offices are there (Ed Razek, and Monica Mitro live and work our of Columbus) they are doing fine from what I hear...actually a lot better than most of the other companies Limited has on it's roster. Also, the lady that I spoke to said that even if they did cancel the show (which is a huge IF she said) they would replace it with something of equal or greater value...so chances are if they cancel the show it's NOT because of money. Keep in mind if they were struggling with money...they wouldn't keep creating multi million dollar bras and keep on their most expensive models. OR...sponsoring big programs...they sponsored E! news Oscar night for crying out loud...that costs a nice chunk of change...like I said they aren't struggling that badly.

Also...like I said if they weren't struggling, they wouldn't be doing more already than they did in 08. having Adriana and Heidi do a launch is expensive because they bring in the most press which VS pays for, esp for this bra which is might a big launch. So again if they were struggling in this department they wouldn't be doing more launchs than they have ever done and doing back to back ones.

Also keep in mind that Angels aren't let go because they can't afford them, if that was true than Adriana, Ale or Heidi would have been let go by now because they have the heavist contracts. Plus pay ON TOP of their contracts. Most of the time they let a girl go because she's not moving units as much as her fellow angels, or bringing in enough fame for the company. Selita really didn't bring that much to the company, nor did KK IF you compare them to how well Adriana, and Ale, and Gisele did their first years and grew after that. While Selita, and KK might stand well alone put up against the heavy movers they most likely didn't measure up. Adriana and Ale (Gisele when she was around) have big contracts with VS 5 years, the other angels are only offered 3...even Heidi. So again, they were let go most likely because they couldn't keep up with the compition, along with personal choice.

 

[EvanJ2010]

OMG is it official that KK and Selita are dropped?

 

[WerbowyStegner]

yes..

 

[happycanadian]

NOT necessarily. be careful with your choice of words.


absolutely nowhere has it been written that either KK or Selita have been dropped.

All I know for certain is that KK has not signed another contract and is thus no longer working for VS as an Angel or in any other capacity. Whether it was HER choice, VS's choice, or a MUTUAL choice - we have no idea.

Dropped implies "fired". and we simply do NOT know if that's the case.


PERIOD.

 

[houseofkuppix]

i think if KK and Selita was contracted in 2005, your time over together.
Like Izabel.
And no have intention of mutual parts re-sign. I say about models and VS.

my opinion.

And now i want know if KK will go back to the high...

 

[$moke]

Well maybe if they do a tour this year they will come back even stronger, like in -05!

 

[CoutureChic]

NOT necessarily. be careful with your choice of words.


absolutely nowhere has it been written that either KK or Selita have been dropped.

All I know for certain is that KK has not signed another contract and is thus no longer working for VS as an Angel or in any other capacity. Whether it was HER choice, VS's choice, or a MUTUAL choice - we have no idea.

Dropped implies "fired". and we simply do NOT know if that's the case.


PERIOD.

Yes but at the same time we have no reason to believe they weren't fired either. A woman I spoke to had some choice things to say why KK was let go, and they're might be things her agent says to save her tushy. A lot of the models are let go because they don't move units like the other girls. So I'm guessing it was more VS's decison to let Selita and KK go along with a little bit of mutal decision...or to save face. Who knows.

As for the tour I agree I think taking a year off would do them loads of good and doing a tour again would be beyond wonderful.


House..I eally don't get what you mean? Do you mean anyone signed in 2005 shouldn't still be working cause it's to long? Because Adriana has been signed as a contracted angel since 2000, and actually worked for them since 1998. Alessandra has worked for them since 2000 and was contracted in 2004, and they are still very much going strong with both signing new 5 year contracts last year.

 

[happycanadian]

why guess, CC? i'm not saying that they weren't dropped. i'm saying WE. DON'T. KNOW the details as to why they aren't with VS anymore. whether you wanna guess or not is irrelevant.

in terms of the tour - i think it's a great idea! especially since they've got so many new girls in the lineup; it would really give them a chance to get more well known and more directly associated with the brand. plus it's certainly fun for the fans!

 

[michelabella]

I personally would much more prefer a show over a tour I don't want to see another tour (especially since the models (not ALL) will not be as great or powerful as the last tour girls) I dunno, I would miss the show. A tour is just like a giant "launch" to me. which we get to see all the time.

I dunno still undecided about that one.

 

[CoutureChic]

IMO the show is ok, and it's great but it needs a break. A tour would give so much PR to the angels and set the record straight on who they were. It would give Adriana the chance to step into the mama shoes (like she rightfully deserves) and it would give Doutzen the press as the new baby as well as Emanuela. The Tour IMO is so much more than a launch because they do so many special events, besides signings. Heck the Bellagio fountains turned pink, the opening of a concert...so many things. I think it would be beyond amazing, and a great much needed rest for the show.
The other models that would be missed in the show, get tons of work the rest of the year and are seen much more in editorial and runway work so they more than make up for the difference. This I think would be great for the angel fans, and like I said give VS a year to just regroup.
As for the girls not being that powerful...they would be about equal to what the tour was last time. You had 2 greats, and then middle was Gisele (to the public) and then the babies Adriana and Alessandra. This time around it would be the ring leaders Heidi, and Adriana. Alessandra, Miranda, and Marisa in the cushioned middle. Then Doutzen, and Eman as the babies. The tour got great exposure for Adriana and Alessandra and actually made them more known to the public because they didn't have to compete with 20 other girls in the show. So I think it'd be great for all the angels careers.

 

[rouge_red]

Since I am mostly interested in the non-models of the show I would hate a tour. I mean I don't like Heidi (esp since I see her every week in GNTM and almost cringe then), Adriana is stunning but, honestly, I could do without her in my life, Ale is a pretty nothing to me, Marissa simply is a bathing suit model which is alright and a nice job and everything but also something i see everyday, Miranda simply annoys me and Manu is still very plain to me.

So a tour wouldn't give me as a fan anything, and I am completely egoistic in this case (even though it of course would be good for the brand to make the girls more popular). The angels lost their last interesting one (or have with Adriana have only one at least a bit interesting angel) with not contracting KK to me so I only have the shows to see my favourite models in that event.

 

[Prescott]

I totally agree with those who want to see a show. Even tought I understand the reasons for a tour and I admit it's probably needed at this point but - just like rouge red said - I'm egoistic too. To me, the VSFS is the highlight of the whole winter season, it's even better than Christmas (I'm exaggerating a little bit). But seriously. I usually start the countdown in autumn...
And by the way, a tour would not be an interesting event for a person in Europe, you don't feel the vibe here, all you get is tons of pictures and that's all. No hot interviews in the newspaper, neither on TV, and of course, you'd never have the chance to visit the locations where the Angels stop by...

 

[CoutureChic]

But at the same time...the people who want the show so bad for the non angels. Get eds, runway, ads, and etc all year from other things that these models do. So you make up for it BIG time in the long run. Angels fans mostly survive on launches, candids, and maybe 1 or 2 eds a year. So something that would provide tons of images, videos, and etc for us. So IMO what you'd be missing for one year at the show is not much. Like I said it'd be great exposure for the angels, and I love the idea of all the videos and candids we got from it. We got so much stuff from the last tour it was insane, and the girls really got to participate in some really neat things. I think it'd be great to do and is really needed at this point. But it's just my opinon.

Also prescott....uh that time they did the tour it was a HUGE deal video and interviews were in all countries...I have videos from it. Pictures were everywhere, but I have about 50 -60 videos just centering around the tour. It was as big if not bigger than the show has been.

 

[melfreya]

I totally agree with those who want to see a show. Even tought I understand the reasons for a tour and I admit it's probably needed at this point but - just like rouge red said - I'm egoistic too. To me, the VSFS is the highlight of the whole winter season, it's even better than Christmas (I'm exaggerating a little bit). But seriously. I usually start the countdown in autumn...
And by the way, a tour would not be an interesting event for a person in Europe, you don't feel the vibe here, all you get is tons of pictures and that's all. No hot interviews in the newspaper, neither on TV, and of course, you'd never have the chance to visit the locations where the Angels stop by...

completely agree!! I'd die if there was no show!!( exaggerating a little bit too!!)

 

[Prescott]

Well, I didn't know there was a big fuss about the tour in 2004. I've only seen a few short videos and a few pictures which obviously made me think that it wasn't a big deal, just a short "smiling-around". I guess I was wrong, then.

But there's one thing that concerns me. The CBS rating. I apparently don't know a much about the so-called tour but I somehow doubt a lot of people would prefer wathing dressed up models instead of hot, vaxed models walking down the runway in lingerie. So CBS might want to air a show which is watched by millions.

One thing is for sure: time will tell...

 

[Juliax]

I totally agree with those who want to see a show. Even tought I understand the reasons for a tour and I admit it's probably needed at this point but - just like rouge red said - I'm egoistic too. To me, the VSFS is the highlight of the whole winter season, it's even better than Christmas (I'm exaggerating a little bit). But seriously. I usually start the countdown in autumn...
And by the way, a tour would not be an interesting event for a person in Europe, you don't feel the vibe here, all you get is tons of pictures and that's all. No hot interviews in the newspaper, neither on TV, and of course, you'd never have the chance to visit the locations where the Angels stop by...

Yeah but they wont do the tour in Europe anyway, I suppose if they do its gonna be just US again...

 

[Prescott]

I know they don't. What I meant was that everything interesting would be far away from Europe. I guess either I wasn't clear or you have misunderstood what I had tried to say...

 

[CoutureChic]

VH1 aired a big special on the tour, and it was quite a hit for the station. Then the girls did a lot of events. The Belliagio fountains were turned pink, they were inducted into the hard rock hall of fame, they did their handprints in cement for tons of paps. they did 2 store signings the girls did at least 20 interviews each and then there was tons upon tons of press at each event. it was a HUGE HUGE deal and it was bigger than the show by far. Like I said there was tons of images from it and tons upon tons of video footage in all countries. Just as many that get the show...so it's just big of a deal and it did also get it's own 1 hour special.
This is kind of a mock up of what they did on the tour

-Kick off in NY with a morning full of press photo and video which included morning interviews in prep for it. they had their own plane and etc (like they did in 2006 and 2007 for the show)
-they went to Miami where again tons of press and photo ops with interviews each morning they were there (they were there for 2 days) the first evening they attended a Miami heat basketball game where they were the guests of honor and gave away prizes and did a special autograph signing filled with press. The Next Day they did a store signing in miami beach with tons of press and video interviews and etc (they did morning interviews with news stations and entertainment shows as well)
-Las Vegas they did the bellagio fountians, they were inducted into the hard rock cafe hall of fame, they opened a black eyed peas concert, they hosted a VIP party at Ghost bar, all of this filled with press and interviews and etc.
-Los Angeles they had morning news and etc then they had the big handprint ceremony and etc. and the big celeb filled wrap party. It was quite the big deal and a fav thing among most of the angels.

they also had a big bus that took them everywhere...so it was an expensive and big endevor for the company and in the special I believe it said it cost them the same amount of money as the show. It was a bigger hit with the public too. So when asked if I'd rather have a show with a few images compared to a tour with 50-60 videos, a VH1 special, tons upon tons of pics, and etc. It's an easy choice.