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>> dina lohan joins us exclusively. dina, good morning. nice to see you. an awful lot has happened in lindsay's life over the last couple of months. let's kind of get to it. a couple of weeks in jail, what was it like for her?
>> actually, the judge is now being recused. we have a new judge on the case. i don't know if you know that. it just happened two days ago. so i think she went overboard and played serious hardball with lindsay.
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you don't think she deserved time in jail?
>> not for this particular offense. she violated -- actually didn't violate -- she was supposed to be -- she was in for just missing a couple of classes that she made up and she was working at the time. so the judge went overboard and put her in serious lockdown for two weeks.
>> what did she tell you about that time in jail?
>> i actually visited her behind glass, and
lindsay missed driving classes that she had made up when she went to court and now the judge is being taken off the case and it's a really serious offense for a judge. she went against the district attorney.
>> was she given special treatment in jail?
>> absolutely not.
>> there are some reports other inmates were locked down, that other inmates were locked down as she was transferred.
>> actually that's a safety precaution. it's not just lindsay but other inmates they do that. it's just pre toe kotocol in the jail.
>> she is in court-ordered rehab. there is a report this morning that may end early.
>> because the judge was recused herself or she would have been -- she wept against the district attorney's advice.
>> so might it be a shorter time in rehab?
>> yeah, it will be.
>> when do you expect her to get out?
>> i'm not going to speak -- i'm not going to speak for the attorneys. soon.
>> have you been able to visit her in rehab?
>> yes.
>> and what are her spirits like?
>> she's great. she's been through a lot. the judge played hardball. lindsay was in with alleged murder e murderers and she's become friends with a lot of them. lindsay's rolled with the punches and she's doing wonderfully.
>> you keep saying the judge played hardball and there's a whole side story to that.
>> well, she is fired basically.
>> but i think a lot of people out there, dina, think that at some point lindsay had this coming to her, that it was probably even a good thing to get her behind bars for a slightly longer time than the first time and get her back into rehab for her own good.
>> i think that's all propaganda and what people are reading and, you know, as you know you're in the business of entertainment, so i think a lot of it is preorchestrated and you're reading things that are not facts. it's not based on facts.
>> this is the fourth time that she --
>> no, actually not.
>> how many times has she been in rehab?
>> in 2007 she was incarcerated for -- well, it was only 22 hours.
>> i'm talking about rehab.
>> right.
>> how many times has she been in rehab?
>> two.
>> two times? okay. my notes had four.
>> i don't know where you're reading --
>> let's say it's two. clearly rehab the first time then did not work.
>> well, i actually put her in rehab. and when you say not worked or works, i don't know where you're getting those -- i'm just saying when -- i put her in at 19 years old in los angeles and with a young girl and got in trouble and i'm certainly not condoning drinking and driving and what she did, but she is still paying a price from 2007 to now. it's the same offense so it's nothing -- nothing has changed.
>> she said in 2007 in an interview it is clear to me that my life has become completely unmanageable because i am addicted to alcohol and drugs. that was three years.
>> she was 19. she's 4 now.
>> has she changed?
>> yes.
>> has she changed?
>> yes. she's grown up considerably.
>> do you think she is capable of going through rehab this time, no matter how long it lasts and coming out a changed person able to handle her surroundings?
>> absolutely.
>> what gives you that confidence?
>> age. just living life and growing up.
>> you know this is coming and you've heard this before, there is this feeling with a lot of people that the people closest to lindsay, and i mean you --
>> which people?
>> you and your ex-husband --
>> are you talking about a source or family?
>> you and her friends have done nothing to help her turn her life around.
>> that's absolutely not true and it's just propaganda and what people are reading. you know, i have four children not just one and i love them all equally. i haven't been with my ex-husband in 15 years. that's a whole other dynamic i'm not going to get into. but you're seeing it from reading what you read. i think the public and the people --
>> let's forget what's been printed. just tell me from your point of view.
>> what would you like to know?
>> do you think you have been there for lindsay, and talk about your ex-husband, too. he's been a parent for a certain period of her life.
>> a parent or a parent?
>> a parent.
>> actually neither.
>> okay. have either of you done what you think you could have done to help her along through some very difficult times and prevent her from getting into the situations she's found herself in?
>> when you're a parent of younger children you have to let them go a little bit. when she went out to los angeles when she was 19, you know, i had to let her go. without failure, there's no success. he was there in close proximity but you can't make your child not go out and go to a club and not get behind the wheel of a car. and i don't condone any of that behavior. and i put her in the first rehab without court order and no one knows the facts. i don't speak about lindsay and when she does sit down and she will do an interview and she's brilliant and she will tell other children to try to help them from falling and getting up.
>> why do you think she's made some of the choices she has in her life? why has it been so difficult to her or for her? have you been able to kind of put that in perspective?
>> i don't know what's so difficult. i think every child goes through a lot of different things. my son just graduated assume cum laude from college. there was a lot going on at college. i don't really know -- lindsay, her life is magnified so she is under a microscope and she has -- you know, she has to really -- i raised my children to be normal and when they go out and lindsay doesn't realize she does have people watching her and she does have a lot of media surrounding her. she can't even go to starbucks without 12 cars following us. it's a little bizarre. and i think tabloids are daily and
they follow these kids and it's not fair and in the old days like julia roberts and those girls didn't really have someone following them and their relationships and cheating on this one and -- it wasn't as magnified and now i think it's become with the internet and everything else it's become so much more profound to them and their lives that they can't real really live.
>> i'm going to agree with you that a lot of it is purely stuff that's written in tabloids. i get that. but other things in her life she has simply done. she has gotten into trouble with the law. you can't blame it all on the tabloids. she's made some wrong choices.
>> she is still paying the price from 2007 and the judge on her case played hardball and now the judge recused herself or she would have been fired and that will come out in the next week. i don't want to talk about that right now. so we have a new judge and it was just a little much for her. you know, we've done case studies on other cases of the same dynamics as lindsay and she just got really hardballed.
>> so in terms of parenting between you and michael, and you say he wasn't a parent or a paren -- you don't think the stage mom isn't justified?
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i don't know what stage mom is. i grew up in new york. i was an entertainer. my mother was on the radio so we go back in nose what i've done. i've chosen not to do that. my kids are now telling me to do that. as far as my ex, i don't really -- i haven't seen him in 15 years. i have criminal stayaways. i believe he goes to court on wednesday for his fiancee, another abusive charge against him. so, you know, he doesn't speak to us. he doesn't speak to lindsay. he doesn't speak to my other children.
>> you mention you have other children. you have three other children. ali is how old? 16?
>> 16.
>> i think on her website it says future superstar.
>> no, that's not her website. that's somebody else say iing that. i don't know where you got that from. she doesn't have a website.
>> if you look at her and your other kids and they say, i'd like to go into show business in some way, i'd like to go out to hollywood, would you stop them now?
>> you know, i wouldn't stop --
i'm producing a film my son michael will be starring in. he's a lacrosse player and an actor. he's in finance but he wants to be an actor as well. i wouldn't stop my children from doing anything they want to do. it's not like i'm pushing them. they're pushing me to help them.
>> any temptation when lindsay gets out of rehab to grab her and get her out of hollywood and get her isolated?
>> she'll be coming back to new york. los angeles is a little -- california is a wonderful state but in that world it's different there. it's a different game you play there. the court system and everything is a little different.
>> we will keep posted on the developments. dina lohan, thanks for being here this morning.
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