Victoria's Secret Etc, Etc (PLEASE READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING)

[Bobby153]

I just listened to the newest episode of that podcast with Erin Heatherton and it was actually really interesting to hear her talk about walking her last show despite not being a Angel anymore.

I remember the 2013 show and how everyone, myself included, were laughing and joking about how miserable and unhappy she looked. Was interesting to hear about what kind of head space she was in at the time.

 

[marsnoop2]

Care to share more details?

 

[Bobby153]

Care to share more details?

she touched on the fact that her Angel contract wasn’t renewed just prior to the show and it changed everything in terms of her dynamic with the other girls.

She likened it to being at high school. She said the hardest part wasn’t so much that she wasn’t an Angel anymore but the fact that certain people (backstage crew, the other Angels) were treating her differently and no longer speaking to her.

in regards to why her contract wasn’t renewed, she didn’t come right out and say it but she did touch in the fact that her body had changed and it’s only know all these years later she’s made peace with it and knows it completely normal for a 25 year old to have a completely different body to a teenager.

 

[oaklee91]

Where can I listen to the podcast?

 

[Armani]

Where can I listen to the podcast?

 

[oaklee91]

Thank you! Will listen to it later. It’s so weird though. Isn’t she godmother to Lily’s daughter?

 

[Armani]

Thank you! Will listen to it later. It’s so weird though. Isn’t she godmother to Lily’s daughter?

That she is… sad to see/hear how she went out re: her tenure with the company & many of her friendships with the now-defunct Angels. They still follow each other on IG, so I assume her close friendship with Lily to be one of the only friendships that’s been maintained throughout the years. Bridget Malcolm, Sharam Diniz, & Dorothea Barth-Jorgensen are also in other episodes of the podcast, quite the interesting (also very emotional, and scathing) listen - the link I sent above is simply an introduction to the podcast, but the full series (thus far) can be found on Spotify & Apple’s Podcast app respectively by looking up “Fallen Angel”

 

[oaklee91]

Thank you for sharing.

 

[Bobby153]

One of the most harrowing parts about the podcast for me was hearing Erin talk about what I assume was the 2011 show; she references wearing thigh high boots.

she said after her first fitting she was told by her agency VS were unhappy with how big her legs looked in the boots. She panicked about losing her jobs so resorted to using hormone injections to speed up her metabolism in the hopes it’d take weight of her legs.
Stylefrizz.com

this is mind boggling to me…as someone who grew up idolising the whole VS regime I’m horrified to say the least.

 

[MulletProof]

^ I have no reason to doubt Victoria's Secret was awful to work with, treating models like escorts was pretty much televised every year so one can only imagine what went down behind curtains.

I will say though, the 'harrowing' part of that incident (the 2011 show?) is all hers. If I'm getting this right: client complained to the agency as usual and agency sent her the memo. What she did with that is 200% her own responsibility. Are most models too young to deal with that type of body pressure with a minimal level of maturity? absolutely, but some of these recent allegations say far more about the models, how poorly equipped they were to navigate a job that involves a high level of uncertainty and stress, their background and lack of support system, the ways they often blur the line between desire for ambition and a reckless ambition.... than it says about whatever rotten company they were working for, in a completely inessential profession such as modeling.

To make my point a bit clearer, what's come out recently (that story above and what this Bridget model 'campaigns' for) goes a bit like "I was a model for 7 years and I could not for the life of me meet the requirements and I got criticism for it.. and the criticism was so cruel that next thing I know, I'm buying Lysol, letting it dry out, snorting the powder hoping it kills the fat cells and then going into a 6-month, 4 marshmallows-a-day diet combined with weekly and not so legal electroshocks to get your body under flight-or-fight mode so it resets the way it process carbs.. all while growing an addiction for xanax, so I'm calling everyone out because the things I went through in modeling are unbelievable, this industry is brutal, everyone in it has no moral compass!"... .. sorry but no, you are brutal. Yes, high fashion modeling has ridiculous standards most girls over 14 won't be able to meet.. and many other fields are plagued by injustice and other 'irrational' demands and yes, people do tend to turn their lives upside down to accommodate a job that comprises all of their professional ambition... but most would know that once you start looking for experimental medical treatment in order to secure a promotion or not get fired, a highly destructive relationship with your profession is at play and.. time to step away and get psychological treatment. The job is not actually the cause, it's just a trigger of something much deeper..

So I'm not sure placing all of one's behavior on an employee or a job is a good message to send out or to raise awareness of anything. More agency and accountability would be great when people disclose their experiences and demand entire industries to be more responsible.

 

[oaklee91]

One of the most harrowing parts about the podcast for me was hearing Erin talk about what I assume was the 2011 show; she references wearing thigh high boots.

she said after her first fitting she was told by her agency VS were unhappy with how big her legs looked in the boots. She panicked about losing her jobs so resorted to using hormone injections to speed up her metabolism in the hopes it’d take weight of her legs. View attachment 1191992
Stylefrizz.com

this is mind boggling to me…as someone who grew up idolising the whole VS regime I’m horrified to say the least.

They show they cut open Adriana’s boots (or gloves, I don’t really remember) in the show don’t they? And also there is a rip on Lindsay’s elbow.

 

[cestmagique]

^^their ways of handling the pressure and expectations are definitely ridiculous in some cases, but I still like hearing the stories. VS was so annoying with that hyper-groomed, 'OMG we're all so perfect and happy and sexy, worship us!!' approach. This could demystify VS for people who don't follow modeling closely.

 

[zacatecas570]

Apparently the es how will comeback this year

Victoria's Secret is resurrecting its famous fashion show in 2023 after a 4-year hiatus and a total brand revamp

 

[Bertrando3]

^ I wonder how the brand will be seen especially with some of today's people being so ''woke'' and refusing to see any sexy people or models or anything and using the diversity flag everywhere just coz it's the flavour of the decade. Victoria's secret was a brand with lots of bad points especially with so many stories against the big boss and harassment issues and all but I can't picture the fashion show being so sexy and people screaming against it. We'll see...

 

[Deleted member 1957]

A woke VSFS will be interesting to see. Hope they can find the balance between being sexy and less problematic because the show in itself was nice, the production, sets and the like before it turned into an insta show with models giving the audience flying kisses. They need to go back to the Gisele, Tyra, Karolina etc era in terms of production, music and the like minus all that bts controversy. Dont be shocked to see body positivity influencers instea dof models ont he runway consaidering that its the easiest way for them to tick inclusivity.

 

[TunHakii]

 

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[Jose Antonio Lat]

 

[Jose Antonio Lat]

 

[Jose Antonio Lat]

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